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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorNexus the Sixth
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IMDB is also known for embedding subtle errors in their cast & crew listings to catch such data mining.

I wonder how / where they get THEIR data? 


I don't know how it works now but IMDb started out as a user built database, much like ours. I used to contribute a lot myself during those early years.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorRutan
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I tried to submit data to the IMDB and it never changed or corrected the information to the TV series. So I gave up there and concentrated my efforts here.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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Can you legally enforce rights management when you give away your data on a public facing web page?

Well, probably not, but just the thought of going up against Amazon (who owns IMDb) in court would probably deter most people.
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I tried to submit data to the IMDB and it never changed or corrected the information to the TV series. So I gave up there and concentrated my efforts here.


That was my experience too. I would rather contribute here than IMDB.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMagmadrag
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I wonder how / where they get THEIR data? 

Can you legally enforce rights management when you give away your data on a public facing web page?


The imdb - at least partially - is also done by users for free. If you see wrong or at least missing data in a profile there, you can create an accound and enter.

But for me it felt that there is nothing like a "community" behind like here, what means: There are users with more rights which could decline your corrections without any reason.

I think we all experience misspelling in here also! And there are countless of them in the imdb. An some obvious mistakes when they use an actor with a similar name to make him/her the one playing in the movie "credited as".

When the site started nearly 20 years ago it was quite small with a lot of enthusiastic poeple, but as the number of releases since then exploded, they had to find ways to get their data directly from studios. And as even the studios and/or media companies have misspellings in the credits, iMo the community here cares much more about erasing duplicates, combining name versions and correcting misspellings.
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I took matters into my own hands several years ago and made my own cataloguing tool. Disc collecting is already a niche, especially in the era of streaming. If you have a collection so great you need cataloguing, then you belong to a niche of a niche. Other tools like DVD Profiler, All My Movies, Collectorz, Ant Movie Collection, Eric's Movie Database, My Movies Collection, etc. (and I've tried them all) will eventually go the way of DVD Aficionado, the disc cataloguing site that closed last year. Not to mention, they all lack certain features I need. So I used my database and programming skills (used in my day job) to create my own movie database:

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It can also be accessed on the Internet:

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A big time-saver is that I'm able to import a movie's complete IMDb cast and crew with just one click, which no other tool I know can do.  DVD Profiler has a plugin that imports IMDB cast & crew, but you need to manually copy and paste.  I don't even have to do that.  One mouse-click and everything is imported.

Any commercial tool you use, including Blu-ray.com, is going to risk discontinuation down the road. IMDb used to have a movie-cataloguing feature too, which many of you must have forgotten. Even a site as successful as IMDb had to cut this feature because it was so niche. Therefore, I don't know what other way to do this long-term except take matters into your own hands.
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Wow, very nice! 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDarklyNoon
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I took matters into my own hands several years ago and made my own cataloguing tool. Disc collecting is already a niche, especially in the era of streaming. If you have a collection so great you need cataloguing, then you belong to a niche of a niche. Other tools like DVD Profiler, All My Movies, Collectorz, Ant Movie Collection, Eric's Movie Database, My Movies Collection, etc. (and I've tried them all) will eventually go the way of DVD Aficionado, the disc cataloguing site that closed last year. Not to mention, they all lack certain features I need. So I used my database and programming skills (used in my day job) to create my own movie database:

SCREENSHOT 1


It can also be accessed on the Internet:

SCREENSHOT 2

A big time-saver is that I'm able to import a movie's complete IMDb cast and crew with just one click, which no other tool I know can do.  DVD Profiler has a plugin that imports IMDB cast & crew, but you need to manually copy and paste.  I don't even have to do that.  One mouse-click and everything is imported.

Any commercial tool you use, including Blu-ray.com, is going to risk discontinuation down the road. IMDb used to have a movie-cataloguing feature too, which many of you must have forgotten. Even a site as successful as IMDb had to cut this feature because it was so niche. Therefore, I don't know what other way to do this long-term except take matters into your own hands.


This looks amazing, do you make this available for others too?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantmovie_madness
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This looks amazing, do you make this available for others too?


If I shared my work with others, I would violate IMDb's terms the same way DVD Profiler would, I believe, because my tool imports heavily from IMDb.  Also, my tool doesn't have user submissions, so I have to manually enter every title myself.  There is also no UPC scanning, disc scanning, etc.  What's more, my tool still relies on DVD Profiler to obtain disc detail such as region, studio, wide screen, etc.  If DVD Profiler is gone, I have to manually enter those too.  The big advantage is that since I make it myself, I can put in whatever features I want, such as Leonard Martin's reviews, Pauline Kael's reviews, etc.  And of course I don't have to worry about DVD Profiler going away.

I also have to pay recurring charges for this.  This tool is run on Microsoft Office, which costs $100 a year.  The online version is stored on my private website that costs another $100 a year.  So this is not for everyone.  I only decided to do this because my movie collection is important enough for me to invest such time and effort.  I started doing this in 2014, so I've already put in a lot of time and money on it.  If you totally do it yourself, expect a similar level of investment.  Or hope for another good commercial disc catalog program, which is unlikely.

When you buy streaming movies from places like Vudu or Google, you already get a "library" that is essentially a catalog, where you can sort, filter, wishlist, etc.  So you have no need for a separate catalog program and don't have to spend extra time managing a catalog.  That's another reason why streaming is popular.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMagmadrag
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I believe, because my tool imports heavily from IMDb


But if you import from IMDb without any "control", you import all of their misspellings and mistakes, too?

No doubt about that your tool looks nice and respect for the work you have done.

But I am still one of those "DVDProfiler-Guys", typing cast & crew for one series after another. This way I started to dislike at least parts of the IMDb. Just imagine: You are at the cast & crew of one episode of a series, typing one actor and you find out that you allready have someone with a similiar spelling. So you want to prove (or not) via IMDb and have to find out that they don't have half of the cast (or list some actors credited in other episodes but not in the one your are looking for) and even not half of the crew.

As I mentioned before: It is also done by users (at least the time I remember entering data at IMDb), and useres make mistakes. As IMDB is "oversized", I am not sure if there is half as much of control as we have on this site.

And it is much more work (if it is even possible) to do corrections on IMDb. I had to find out that sometimes they have two (or more) spellings of one person as separate actors (no "common name" thread like here), and without a complete "overwork" of their data, the load of wrong data is growing there.

That's why I am still here, trying do to corrections as much as possible - not getting any denial without a smart explanation.
DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantmovie_madness
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I believe, because my tool imports heavily from IMDb


But if you import from IMDb without any "control", you import all of their misspellings and mistakes, too?

No doubt about that your tool looks nice and respect for the work you have done.

But I am still one of those "DVDProfiler-Guys", typing cast & crew for one series after another. This way I started to dislike at least parts of the IMDb. Just imagine: You are at the cast & crew of one episode of a series, typing one actor and you find out that you allready have someone with a similiar spelling. So you want to prove (or not) via IMDb and have to find out that they don't have half of the cast (or list some actors credited in other episodes but not in the one your are looking for) and even not half of the crew.

As I mentioned before: It is also done by users (at least the time I remember entering data at IMDb), and useres make mistakes. As IMDB is "oversized", I am not sure if there is half as much of control as we have on this site.

And it is much more work (if it is even possible) to do corrections on IMDb. I had to find out that sometimes they have two (or more) spellings of one person as separate actors (no "common name" thread like here), and without a complete "overwork" of their data, the load of wrong data is growing there.

That's why I am still here, trying do to corrections as much as possible - not getting any denial without a smart explanation.



IMDb has more data than DVD Profiler does or ever will, since more people enter data for IMDb than DVD Profiler.  Every time I add discs into DVD Profiler, I see empty or incomplete cast & crew.  If I have to do manual entries every time, I may as well do it with a tool of my own design where I can design whatever I want.

If I see errors, I correct them in my tool, not on IMDb.  I've seen errors on IMDb that haven't been corrected for years.  But that doesn't affect me because I don't "use" IMDb per se.  I import data from it and have my own "copy" of the data at my disposal.

I make my tool also because of some of DVD Profiler's shortcomings, such as lack of unicode support.  One big shortcoming (to me anyway) of DVD Profiler is its disc-based structure, rather than movie-based.  My tool organizes my collection as movies, and links each movie to a disc. That works much better for me.  That way also makes integration with IMDb easier.

The "mobile" component of DVD Profiler is also woefully inadequate.  You have to put an entire copy of your collection into your smart device.  That's not exactly what mobile means.  A truly mobile experience means your data are on the cloud and accessible from multiple devices.  That's how Collectorz does it.  But that software has its own problems for me.  As I said, I've used practically all commercial tools and ended up having to make my own.
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