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How about a "credit only" feature for credited cast that does not appear (mostly TV shows)
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I have noticed from auditing a couple seasons of Walking Dead that the opening credits always have the full cast, and often times some/many of these people are not in episodes they are credited for. I'm about to go through and do custom CO tags, but think it might be something others would like too. Could we add a checkbox (like the uncredited or voice only) for these instances? I'm sure it happens with other TV shows too.

I can also think of one film, Quick & the Dead, where Bruce Campbell is in the cast credits but his scene was cut and he is not in the film at all.
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http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=873141

Speaking of tv series, in the sixth season of Teen Wolf, Dylan O'Brien is credited in the beginning of each episode but actually appears in only a few of the episodes.
I think due to filming a movie and perhaps being injured.

A credit only checkbox would be useful.
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"Credit only" is a common occurence for season regulars of an ensamble cast TV series where not every character is needed in every single episode.

Sometimes it even happens unintentionally when an actress is giving birth and has to drop out for a few eps. If she's a regular she still gets the credit.
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I recently bought Criss Angel: Mindfreak: The Complete Season One.

I have looked at several episodes and in the end credits the following people are listed.

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Surreal Family
T.G. Tomsoni......Theo
Steve Daly........Ginger
Antonio Hoyos.....Luigi
Josh Thomas.......Erich
Stacey Shea.......Kayala
Ken Romo..........Anteater
Melanie Kramer....Shadow

Special Guests
Amazing Johnathan
Lance Burton
Jonathan Davis
Bill Kurtis
Mandy Moore
Penn & Teller
Rob Zombie

Mindfreak Voice
Tony Jay


There are 15 episodes in this season and after after watching several of them I know that the Special Guests don't appear in all of them.
In fact I doubt that all of them appear in ALL episodes of the season.

Yet if I was to do a cast profile with episode dividers and by the rules include the Special Guests as credited it would be impossible to know exactly what episodes they actually do appear in. Each would be listed in ALL of the episodes. So if I wanted to know exactly what episode Penn & Teller were in I would have to get the discs out and scan through each episode just to find out which one they actually appeared in.

Now if there were a Credit Only checkbox for the cast I could easily tell which one they are actually in.
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Yet if I was to do a cast profile with episode dividers and by the rules include the Special Guests as credited it would be impossible to know exactly what episodes they actually do appear in. Each would be listed in ALL of the episodes. So if I wanted to know exactly what episode Penn & Teller were in I would have to get the discs out and scan through each episode just to find out which one they actually appeared in.

I'm not exactly sure that all credited actors need be included in our cast listings.  Take a look at this excerpt from The Rules:
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Do not list actors and crew who appear only in special features, or whose scenes were deleted from the main feature, even if they appear in special features.

One might use this to deduce that actors, credited or not, who do not appear in the film/episode, should not be listed in our submissions.

However, my preference would be to have a "Credit Only" checkbox and leave them in.

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Yet if I was to do a cast profile with episode dividers and by the rules include the Special Guests as credited it would be impossible to know exactly what episodes they actually do appear in. Each would be listed in ALL of the episodes. So if I wanted to know exactly what episode Penn & Teller were in I would have to get the discs out and scan through each episode just to find out which one they actually appeared in.

I'm not exactly sure that all credited actors need be included in our cast listings.  Take a look at this excerpt from The Rules:
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Do not list actors and crew who appear only in special features, or whose scenes were deleted from the main feature, even if they appear in special features.

One might use this to deduce that actors, credited or not, who do not appear in the film/episode, should not be listed in our submissions.

However, my preference would be to have a "Credit Only" checkbox and leave them in.

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You're missing the very important part of the rules.

http://www.invelos.com/dvdpro/contributions/Rules.aspx?display=credits

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Crew and Cast
Take Crew Credits from the film credits only; list names exactly as they are in the credits. Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead. 


One can deduce that it also applies to the cast.

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Cast

For the purposes of this section we define "standard" film credits as those where all credited actors involved are listed at the end of the film - defined here as the "end credits". The section details both the actor’s Name and the Role that they played in the film. The credits may be listed "in order of appearance", "alphabetical order" or in an order of importance decided by the filmmakers. Some actors may be credited a second time in either credits at either the opening or close of the film.


Even though it's for film, once can deduce that the cast is to be taken from the credits when they are all listed.

And from the TV Series section of the rules.
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Enter Cast and Crew for each episode using standard rules, and insert dividers to separate each episode's credit list from the others. Do not list Cast and Crew outside of the dividers even if they are credited in all episodes.


As I understand the rules, we go by the credits themselves and if the credits list actors we credit them regardless if they appear in the episode/film or not.
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Do not list actors and crew who appear only in special features, or whose scenes were deleted from the main feature, even if they appear in special features.


It appears that this is confusing, as some think it means that if an actor's scenes were deleted from the film/tv series then we can also not include them in the profile itself.

I take it to mean that if actors appears in deleted scenes or deleted scenes shown in featurettes that we don't include them, unless they actually appear in other scenes.

Perhaps re-worded as follows.

"Do not list actors and crew who only appear in special features. or when they appear only in deleted scenes."
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Do not list actors and crew who appear only in special features, or whose scenes were deleted from the main feature, even if they appear in special features.


It appears that this is confusing, as some think it means that if an actor's scenes were deleted from the film/tv series then we can also not include them in the profile itself.

Some may think it means that because that's exactly what it says.

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Quoting CubbyUps:
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Do not list actors and crew who appear only in special features, or whose scenes were deleted from the main feature, even if they appear in special features.


It appears that this is confusing, as some think it means that if an actor's scenes were deleted from the film/tv series then we can also not include them in the profile itself.

Some may think it means that because that's exactly what it says.

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Which means that it's badly written.

Going by that wording that means that we can go into tv series profiles and delete cast members from the cast even if they are credited in the opening credits.

Again, I think the intent was to be that if an actor appears in deleted scenes in the special features and DOESN'T appear at all in the program or credited in the actual credits that we don't list them.
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Going by that wording that means that we can go into tv series profiles and delete cast members from the cast even if they are credited in the opening credits.

There is a difference between credits for recurring actors that never were intended to appear in a specific episode but were credited anyway, and credits for actors that were intended to appear, but whos scenes were deleted.
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If someone wants a concrete example, Lexa Doig was supposed to be a guest star (not a season regular, not a recurring actor) on Smallvilles' tenth season episode Scion after having previously appeared in Harvest. All her Scion scenes have been completely cut, yet she's credited after the the intro credits:

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There are good reasons for this feature request, but this *could* get dangerously close to spoiling.

I.e.: A character is credited in season one for all episodes but you see the "credit only" after his name for the last three episodes... Guess who died!

Sure, most times you know the movies or tv series before looking at the cast, but sometimes not, and I think such possible spoilers should be avoided.

At least this feature, if implented, should go hand in hand with an option inside DVD Profiler AND the website (where you can evaluate contributions) to NOT show these things. At the best, the "show "credit only" info" should be an opt-in.
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There are good reasons for this feature request, but this *could* get dangerously close to spoiling.

I.e.: A character is credited in season one for all episodes but you see the "credit only" after his name for the last three episodes... Guess who died!

Sure, most times you know the movies or tv series before looking at the cast, but sometimes not, and I think such possible spoilers should be avoided.

At least this feature, if implented, should go hand in hand with an option inside DVD Profiler AND the website (where you can evaluate contributions) to NOT show these things. At the best, the "show "credit only" info" should be an opt-in.


Aren't Uncredited Cast sometimes a spoiler.
Perhaps a big cross-over from another series or a major star appears in a cameo.
Perhaps someone big appears only in a post end credit sequence, something like in the Marvel films.

We allow those without being hidden or opted in, so I so no real need to do the same for Credit Only.
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A problem with this is that it's often hard to document. Someone will write in his contribution notes: "checked 'credit only' where applicable", and that's that, we'll have to accept that. That's different from contributing a change that actually comes from the credits, or an (uncredited) cast entry with a time stamp: if I want to check that for myself, then all I have to do is pull the disc out and immediately see whether the change is accurate or not. Having to re-watch the entire episode/season/series to be sure is something else. So it'll just be "it's like this because I say so" - it's not immediately checkable.

It feels a bit like emulating a typical IMDb-suffix, and if we're honest, that's where a lot of this data would be taken from if we actually were to get this feature. Of course, there will be the occasional user that actually watches a bunch of episodes and dutifully notes which character doesn't appear in which particular episode, but the reality is that most of this data would be copied straight from IMDb, as that's a generically available source where much of that information is already being tracked. I'm not sure if Ken wants to emulate IMDb's data format even further - weren't there signals that that could be problematic for Invelos somehow?
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I would use it... but personally I would have it local only. Mostly because I just don't have the trust that they would actually be checked and it would be just IMDB being uploaded all the time.

So I say make it local and let the info be shared like gallery images and head shots are.
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