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Common name: Willie [D.] Burton
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorPantheon
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Quoting tweeter:
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Quoting Pantheon:
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Question: How are the thousands of users who don't come into the forum expected to know the results of this sort of thread?

I've just seen a contribution changing Willie D to Willie and the first thing I did was check the CLT - which does NOT support the change.
I was all ready to vote NO when I re-read the contributions notes and followed the link to this thread.

While I agree that supplying the link was helpful; this thread really doesn't change the fact that the rules state to use the CLT as the source for Credited As information.

I've recently updated the entire 4 seasons of Farscape - in which Lani Tupu was listed as Lani John Tupu [Lani Tupu}.
Not once was he credited as Lani John Tupu in the entire series. However, I did not change the credited as because the CLT supported the entry.
By the time I had finished the audits the results had changed and I was able to go back and change the entries and resubmit as credited.

My point is that if the CLT is not going to be used as the main source of information; how the hell is everyone else expected to know.

It would be completely correct to vote NO based on the results of the CLT.

Ken has stated (can't find the link just know) that CLT results can be superseded if evidence such as this thread is provided that the CLT is currently incorrect.


But, if someone doesn't supply the link. Or if the voter can't be bothered to follow the link then they would be quite within their right to vote NO based on the CLT results. That's all I'm saying.
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For easy reference you can also give a link to this thread
or to the "Credited as"-Database.
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But, if someone doesn't supply the link.

If someone doesn't supply the link and the CLT results - at first sight - seem to give the opposite result, then yes, you could ask for the link by way of voting no.

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Or if the voter can't be bothered to follow the link then they would be quite within their right to vote NO based on the CLT results.

I strongly disagree. If the community has worked together to determine someone's common name with a thread like this one, and the contributor includes a direct link to such a thread to back up such a common name change, I don't think "can't be bothered to follow the link" is an appropriate reason for a "no"-vote. In this scenario, the contributor has done everything he could possibly do - there's really nothing else left - to make things easy for the voters. That really shouldn't be ignored: either the contribution is correct, or it's not. If it is correct, and it's well-documented with a link to a dedicated thread about that very particular issue, with a solid outcome, then "can't be bothered to follow the link" is not a valid reason for a "no"-vote.
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Found the link:

Quoting Ken Cole:
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The lookup tool is not to be blindly trusted, however it does outweigh other sources, including autographs.  The common name is not intended to always reflect the "real name", but the most commonly credited name. 

However, if a user documents errors in the database where the credit is not entered properly, that can and should be considered.  Better yet, correct the entries, assuming you own the discs in question, thereby correcting the lookup results.
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Quoting tweeter:
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Quoting Pantheon:
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Question: How are the thousands of users who don't come into the forum expected to know the results of this sort of thread?

I've just seen a contribution changing Willie D to Willie and the first thing I did was check the CLT - which does NOT support the change.
I was all ready to vote NO when I re-read the contributions notes and followed the link to this thread.

While I agree that supplying the link was helpful; this thread really doesn't change the fact that the rules state to use the CLT as the source for Credited As information.

I've recently updated the entire 4 seasons of Farscape - in which Lani Tupu was listed as Lani John Tupu [Lani Tupu}.
Not once was he credited as Lani John Tupu in the entire series. However, I did not change the credited as because the CLT supported the entry.
By the time I had finished the audits the results had changed and I was able to go back and change the entries and resubmit as credited.

My point is that if the CLT is not going to be used as the main source of information; how the hell is everyone else expected to know.

It would be completely correct to vote NO based on the results of the CLT.

Ken has stated (can't find the link just know) that CLT results can be superseded if evidence such as this thread is provided that the CLT is currently incorrect.


Here is the LINK

Quoting Ken Cole:
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The lookup tool is not to be blindly trusted, however it does outweigh other sources, including autographs.  The common name is not intended to always reflect the "real name", but the most commonly credited name. 

However, if a user documents errors in the database where the credit is not entered properly, that can and should be considered.  Better yet, correct the entries, assuming you own the discs in question, thereby correcting the lookup results.


Bolded by me.

Furthermore, the results are collected in the DVDProfiler "Credited as" Name Database

EDIT: Sorry, too late...
Updated List of Accepted Birth Years
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When these threads come up, it's incumbent on the people responding, who have the discs, to make any necessary corrections to the database so the CLT reflects reality rather than the IMDB.
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Willie D. Burton, credited as "Sound Mixer".

Movie: The Bridges of Madison County
Medium: DVD
Region: 2
Locality: Germany
UPC: 7321921137723
Release: Snapper [there's also a later Keep Case with same UPC]

We have been warned:

even the Keep Case of the german DVD with same UPC could possibly have different credits.

Not to speak of all the other releases with different UPCs, media, localities, Regions!

So I still do not understand the use of such surveys.
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We have been warned:

even the Keep Case of the german DVD with same UPC could possibly have different credits.

Not to speak of all the other releases with different UPCs, media, localities, Regions!

So I still do not understand the use of such surveys.

Even though there is a little chance of different credits within the same movie (but different releases), this happens only in very rare occasions. So the use of this surveys is exactly what they say they are for: to uncover incorrect database entries.
If for movie XY someone confirms an entry John Doe but the profile for my copy shows a John X. Doe it's hightime for me to do a full audit of this profile.
But, I grant you that, this consequence might only be for me.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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Confirmed Willie D. Burton A Piece of the Action and Let's Do It Again.
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Roots - Willie Burton
Roots: The Next Generations - Willie Burton
Roots: The Gift - Willie Burton
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Performed cleanup to remove incorrect localities and update original titles. The results:
Willie Burton: 99/625 -> 77/621
Willie D. Burton: 130/740 -> 80/714

Still a lot of wrong production years (and incorrect credits ofcourse), but we're getting there!
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Antwone Fisher: Willie Burton. I think we have a winner.
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The majority of my local has Willie D. Burton and Willie D. Burton [Willie Burton].

Wish I had seen this thread a couple of months ago. Damn CLT. 
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Those one don't seem to be confirmed

Bugsy


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Production Sound Mixer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_D._Burton
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_14_112/ai_n21053679/
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0123770/

CLT results at beginning:
Willie Burton: 100/582
Willie D. Burton: 140/719
Willis D. Burton: 1/2
Willy Burton: 1/4


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Wille D. Burton21  (Confirmed)

A Piece of the Action (confirmed by mdnitoil)
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Sneakers (confirmed by hallo-marvin)
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Wargames (confirmed by tweeter)
Which Way Is Up?


Willy Burton1  (Confirmed)

Satisfaction (confirmed by T!M)


Wills D. Burton1  (Confirmed)

Man with One Red Shoe, The (confirmed by T!M)
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The majority of my local has Willie D. Burton and Willie D. Burton [Willie Burton].

Wish I had seen this thread a couple of months ago. Damn CLT. 


Indeed, same thing here.

As far as I can see the common name is with a probability of 99,99999% Willie Burton, right?
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