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Common Name Proposition
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorDJ Doena
Registered: May 1, 2002
Registered: March 14, 2007
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I may be lynched for this, but I can't currently see that the linking of actor names is ever really going to work.

Let me build a scenario here:

My name is Karsten Schramm. I am a very famous actor ( ). Since no  american can pronounce my name properly I changed it to Christian (Karsten is lower-german for Christian) when I'm playing in billion-dollar productions.

Unfortunately all the DVD entries in DVDProfiler are form a time where the entries have been copied from IMDb and all the entries list me as "Karsten" - in violation to the actual credits.

Now the first one begins to process all my 8472 DVDs. Credit Lookup Tool says most used credited as "Karsten Schramm" thus common name "Karsten Schramm".

He edits:
Profile: "The God-Emperor of the Universe", UPC 0-81547-118472
before: Karsten Schramm ... God-Emperor
after: Karsten Schramm [credited as: Christian Schramm] ... God-Emperor

He does this for a while until .... yes until when? At some point he has edited enough profiles that "Christian Schramm" becomes the most credited and thus common name.

Now what? He starts from scratch and does all the previous profiles again? WTF? Ping-poning at its best.


My proposition would be that the common name has to be something way more stable. As we don't have time machines somethings table would be that has already happened. We may not all agree but it has been settled that the common name has nothing to with what the real name of the actor is. It's just a common denominator to make the linking system work.

Why not take the common name from the oldest DVD in the database, the DVD with the earliest release date. I acknowledge that it's possible that someone enters a DVD that is older than the currently oldest - but it is way more unlikely.

And now I am leaving for the easter holidays and you can shred my idea to pieces. 
Karsten
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you start a discussion and walk away from it?
nice proposition, gone sleep a night on it.
Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorBad Father
Registered: July 23, 2001
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Quoting DJ Doena:
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Why not take the common name from the oldest DVD in the database, the DVD with the earliest release date. I acknowledge that it's possible that someone enters a DVD that is older than the currently oldest - but it is way more unlikely.


And just what if the Oldest DVD in the database got its credits from IMDb?
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Invelos Software, Inc. RepresentativeGerri Cole
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Registered: March 10, 2007
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Given how the contribution system has evolved over the years,  I would say that you are more likely to have more accurate data later rather than earlier. I would have to say as a screener, contributions are much better today than they ever have been. I dont think the deciding factor should be when the DVD was released because it is so closely tied to when it would have been contributed to the database. (Although I understand that not all DVDs are added to the database close to when they are released).

Speaking from many many years of experience, the quality of contributions is better than I ever remember in the past. Give yourselves a pat on the back

-Gerri
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantDr. Killpatient
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Registered: May 19, 2007
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ow.  CRAMP!
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLewis_Prothero
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Registered: May 19, 2007
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Quoting Gerri Cole:
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Speaking from many many years of experience, the quality of contributions is better than I ever remember in the past. Give yourselves a pat on the back

-Gerri

Tried to, but my rheumatism didn't let me. 
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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I agree, Gerri. Compared what the Contributions were like way back when they have improved many times. But we can still get a lot better and it is going to take a concerted effort on the part oof everybody to wrestle the database into where it will ultimately be and extaordinary piece of work that will have NO peer. I could go on and on and write a very comprehensive piece, but I don't want to do that.

I will simply offer my congratulations to everyone that has aided in getting us toi where we are today and say onward and upward. While at least some of you seem not to understand why things are done as they are; there is a method to what appears to be madness ALWAYS.

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He does this for a while until .... yes until when? At some point he has edited enough profiles that "Christian Schramm" becomes the most credited and thus common name.

Now what? He starts from scratch and does all the previous profiles again? WTF? Ping-poning at its best.

Why Ping-Ponging? - After the senond run the system is stable.
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Why not take the common name from the oldest DVD in the database, the DVD with the earliest release date. I acknowledge that it's possible that someone enters a DVD that is older than the currently oldest - but it is way more unlikely.

Especially the oldest available name is not the best selection. Many Actors apear with their real names or completly unknown names in their first productions.

And last not least keep in mind, that the common name has to be found for further contributions to be made... Every profile has to be entered from scratch some time - and nobody would be able to find the corresponding child actor or alter ego for the credited person.

Regards, AA
Complete list of Common Names  •  A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1)
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