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Parsing of Mary Jean McAdams |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote:
Why do we have to make everything so complicated? Because the world is complicated.  Some people use middle names, some people compound forenames, some double last names, some stage names, some... If her first name is "Mary Jane", that's what it is. Unless you decide to standardize parsing and just use plain word counting, but we don't AFAIK. | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just because someone chooses to use their middle name along with their first name when they are addressed does not make it a double-barreled first name. They simply prefer to be called by BOTH their first and middle names TOGETHER.
It is still a first name and a middle name.
My wife calls me by my formal first and middle names every time she is mad at me (which is a lot). That does not mean that I have a double-barrelled first name. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | To add to what Hal said, I know a lot of people that use their first and middle initials together even though they are not a double first name.
Edward John is called 'EJ' even though John is his middle name.
Robert James is called 'RJ' even though James is his middle nam.
So MJ does not, automatically, mean that Mary Jean is a double first name. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Just because someone chooses to use their middle name along with their first name when they are addressed does not make it a double-barreled first name. True, that's not automatic. But it's not automatic the other way either. I think "Mary Jean" is more likely a double barreled name not just because of the constant use of MJ on Mary Jean McAdams's official site , as nothbloke said, but also because "Mary Jean" seems to be a traditional double-barreled first name, just like other compound names with "Jean" (see the links with lists of traditional double first names Martin and I provided). I know that's not the hardest evidence, but my take is that's the more likely option. | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote:
So what if she uses "Mary Jean" and not just Mary. What do we gain by moving Jean to the same field as Mary? I can't understand it. Perhaps this might help understand Quote:
Two First Names
Double Trouble
By Mary Clare Fleury
When I was a kid, having two first names was no big deal. Now it seems it's just not done. But, I'm not giving up either one.
When I was four, I asked my mother what my middle name was. She said, "Well, Mary Clare, it's Clare."
As the story goes, I burst into tears and said: "That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard! Why would you name me Mary Clare Clare Fleury!"
Other than that trauma, growing up with a double name never seemed strange. I come from a large Catholic family full of Alice Maries, Mary Ellens, and Margaret Marys. I was taught by nuns with names like Sister Rita Mary and Sister Ada Marie. I went to school with Anne Maries and Mary Catherines.
I went to college in North Carolina at Wake Forest University. Down South double names are ubiquitous, and a girl's name is often paired with a family or boy's name. I met an Anna Ball, a Mary Craig, an Ann Campbell, and a Mary Craven.
Many people with double names drop one of them by the end of middle school. It's similar to the way Josephs and Michaels become Joes and Mikes. I know a Mary Dorsey who became Dorsey when she started high school and a John Michael who became John.
In my case, my childhood best friend is named Mary. Even if I'd wanted to drop the Clare, I didn't have a choice.
These days I meet few women with double names, and no one can seem to understand mine. Restaurant hostesses call out, "Mary, your table is ready!" Voice-mails, e-mails, bills, and letters are all addressed to Mary.
I know people don't mean anything by it, but my name is my identity. I'm sometimes tempted to ignore someone who addresses me with only half of it. I feel like saying, "I'm sorry - I didn't know you were talking to me."
Last year I was watching TV with a friend when a Gap commercial starring Sarah Jessica Parker came on. My friend said, "I hate when people have two names. Sarah. Jessica. Parker. Its such a mouthful. Why doesn't she just pick one?"
I waited until she realized what she had said. She tried to recover by saying, "Oh, but Mary Clare flows so much better than Sarah Jessica. It almost sounds like one name!"
I've acquired some nicknames. My younger brother calls me Clarey Mare. Probably more of my friends call me MC than my real name.
In fourth grade, during the height of rapper MC Hammer's popularity, my basketball coach started calling me Hammer. He and my former teammates call me that to this day.
When I was a freshman in high school, McDonald's introduced its ice-cream shake, the McFlurry. The nickname caught on quickly because it incorporated both my first and last names. Thankfully, I haven't been called McFlurry in years, but I still have an apron inscribed with the logo, taken for me from the McDonald's in Mazza Gallerie.
Despite the nicknames and misunderstandings, I enjoy having an unusual name. Even though correcting people can be frustrating, it's worth it when someone says, "Mary Clare - wow, what a beautiful name."
I have to agree.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | She could have solved the problem quite easily by legally changing her name to "Mary-Clare" and saved herself all that angst!  Anecdotal evidence that one person prefers her names to be considered double-barrelled cannot be used to make a generalization that can be applied to DVDP. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote:
Sorry, but I can't understand why we should complicate this. So what if she uses "Mary Jean" and not just Mary. What do we gain by moving Jean to the same field as Mary? I can't understand it. Moving Jean to the first name field will also make it more difficult to get correct linking.
I'm sure the majority of the people that contribute (except some here in these forums) sees three names and puts one name in each field.
Why do we have to make everything so complicated? Thank you. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,188 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is why parsing is useless. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | I made a post about this topic in the Contribution Rules Committe forum just a few days ago, for those who have access to that forum. |
| | Registered: April 14, 2007 |  Posts: 415 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet: Quote:
Quoting jmbox:
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I'm not saying it was proof of the correct parsing, but majority rules for the common name.
There could be 100 profiles with Mary Jean/Mc/Adams and that would be the common name to use.
It's a lot less work to convert the smaller number of profiles to the larger than the other way around.
No, a common name is the name of which a person is most credited as. And if the number of wrongly parsed names is bigger than correctly, it does not mean we should consider not to change that. Sure, if someone wants to find proof that someone's name is X not Y, and wants to change 30, 100, 1000 profiles to do it; they can download those profiles and change them all. All I care about is that if I click on someone, it tells me every movie they are in in my collection and has the correct name as in the credits for that movie. The "common name" could be 12345678 and it would still work as long as "credited as" was correct. Some of us seem to be hellbent on a whole lot of effort for very little gain. | | | | Last edited: by jmbox |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting jmbox: Quote:
Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
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Quoting jmbox:
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I'm not saying it was proof of the correct parsing, but majority rules for the common name.
There could be 100 profiles with Mary Jean/Mc/Adams and that would be the common name to use.
It's a lot less work to convert the smaller number of profiles to the larger than the other way around.
No, a common name is the name of which a person is most credited as. And if the number of wrongly parsed names is bigger than correctly, it does not mean we should consider not to change that.
But we don't have a "Credited As" lookup tool. Sure, if someone wants to find proof that someone's name is X not Y, and wants to change 30, 100, 1000 profiles to do it; they can download those profiles and change them all.
All I care about is that if I click on someone, it tells me every movie they are in in my collection and has the correct name as in the credits for that movie. The "common name" could be 12345678 and it would still work as long as "credited as" was correct.
Some of us seem to be hellbent on a whole lot of effort for very little gain. A relative newcomer who actually grasps the problem. How refreshing! | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Just because someone chooses to use their middle name along with their first name when they are addressed does not make it a double-barreled first name. They simply prefer to be called by BOTH their first and middle names TOGETHER.
It is still a first name and a middle name.
My wife calls me by my formal first and middle names every time she is mad at me (which is a lot). That does not mean that I have a double-barrelled first name. Excellent point, Hal, and quite true. My wife is a fine example of this. She has a first and middle name, you can call her by both or her middle name but if you call her by her first name she will probably ignore you or if it's me she will yell at me.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
Quoting reybr:
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So what if she uses "Mary Jean" and not just Mary. What do we gain by moving Jean to the same field as Mary? I can't understand it.
Perhaps this might help understand
Yes... I see that, but what do WE or the DB gain by it? The name we enter in those three fields is just for linking. It is not for anything else. What do we or the DB gain by putting those two names into the first field? Absolutely nothing! We just make it harder for the casual contributor to contribute. | | | 
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | We gain as much as with parsing Helena Bonham Carter as "Helena//Bonham Carter". I personally think if we want to be correct in all sort of things concerning the DVD, we also need to be correct about parsing people's names right. It's just a matter of documentation like a lot of things to help others understand. If we just want to split everything up and use a space as a separator, we need a lot more like the three name fields we have now. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | And I still think the world famous HBC was much ado about nothing. Sometimes the attitudes I see on display here about things such as this almost sound to me like some of us are personally offended or have some odd sort of personal involvement. I daresay reybr makes a very valid point relative to the casual user, kind of reminds me of one of the discussions relative to Asian names and i postulated relative to such casual users, which drew a response, totally unacceptable, of leave it to the "experts".
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet: Quote:
We gain as much as with parsing Helena Bonham Carter as "Helena//Bonham Carter". I'm not very happy about that one either, but can accept it because someone has the name displayed as last name-first name. It also has some effect on sorting. But with the middle name we gain absolutely nothing | | |
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