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Writing credit (TV series)
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJimmy S
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Just a simple question because I'm not sure.

In a TV Series does the crew title "Created by" is the same of "original Material by" or "Based on Characters by" or we don't credit it ? Thanks
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It can be credited in OMB or OCB since there are no role restrictions on either. I tend to prefer OMB for this credit since there's more to "Created by" than just characters in my opinion. But I wouldn't object to OCB. In fact, OCB is a closer match to what's listed in the Notes column for OCB.

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Just a simple question

That phrase has started a few megathreads in the past. 
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Quoting m.cellophane:
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Quoting AESP_pres:
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Just a simple question

That phrase has started a few megathreads in the past. 


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Thanks for the fast answer James. I will use "original material"
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Not to throw oil onto the fire, but I thought the consensus was to use "original characters by" for this. Theoretically, there's nothing wrong with OMB, but problems arise when the actual credits appear in the form "created by XXX, story by YYY, screenplay by ZZZ". Since this is fairly regular (I have at least a hundred individual TV episodes like this in my collection), using OMB for "creator" is fairly confusing. As a result of this, always using OCB seems a bit "cleaner", as the interpretation of OMB can vary between episodes...
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Not to throw oil onto the fire, but I thought the consensus was to use "original characters by" for this. Theoretically, there's nothing wrong with OMB, but problems arise when the actual credits appear in the form "created by XXX, story by YYY, screenplay by ZZZ". Since this is fairly regular (I have at least a hundred individual TV episodes like this in my collection), using OMB for "creator" is fairly confusing. As a result of this, always using OCB seems a bit "cleaner", as the interpretation of OMB can vary between episodes...


I agree with T!M here... OCB fits the bill.. 
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I personally would prefer to wait for the correct credit in profiler... but if it must be forced in somehow I would  go with OMB as.. like James said.. the creator of the show created much more then the characters... they created the whole idea of the show and everything about it.
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Hehe... So far it's a tie between OMB and OCB from the ones that have voiced their opinion. Not such a simple question after all 

I prefer to use OCB for the Created By credit. As T!M said, I thought that was the forum consensus (I think I remember some past discussion about it)

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I don't use "Created by" credits at all in my TV profile contributions. IMHO this does not belong to any of the current categories and I will leave it out until Ken provides an updated for this in the future.

That was also the forum consensus so far.

Btw. this topic has already been discussed

here
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=198441

and here
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=174656

and here
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=190729

and also here
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=161130

Furthermore here
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=156027

and here
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=210783

and here
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=157437

and also here
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=143910


I know the search function on this forum is not the best. Simply go to Google and enter "site:http://www.invelos.com" together with the words you are searching for, then only this site will be searched.
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Sorry, I can't see any consensus either way from those posts. Some say OCB some say no credit.

Searching through Google works as long as the thread you're looking for isn't in the contribution rules forum. Since that subforum is closed, Google can't look through it either. I was quite sure we had a long thread there too, but I can't find it.

EDIT: This thread in the rules forum proposes to use OCB for Credited By
Also discussed in this thread without any consensus reached

EDIT again: Here we have a poll about it. I also see that I was of a different opinion back then. The forum consensus I imagined must have changed my mind 

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EDIT again: Here we have a poll about it. I also see that I was of a different opinion back then. The forum consensus I imagined must have changed my mind 

Ah, thanks for "digging out" this poll from the contribution discussion forum. I knew there must have been a poll about this, but couldn't find it (now I know why ).

If you're not a member of this forum, the poll ended with this result:

TV series: "Created by" credit

Credit as "Original characters by"  (10)
Not to be credited in DVD Profiler  (0)
There should be a separate Writing role called "Created by"  (26)
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Quoting TigiHof:
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If you're not a member of this forum, the poll ended with this result:

TV series: "Created by" credit

Credit as "Original characters by"  (10)
Not to be credited in DVD Profiler  (0)
There should be a separate Writing role called "Created by"  (26)

Yes, it is most often left out (e.g. X-Files, Ghost Whisperer) and sometimes kept (e.g. Veronica Mars).

Missed that poll, but I'd also vote for the latter option...
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I leave this credit out altogether in my contibutions, and instead hope that there will be a "Created by" option in a future version of DVD Profiler - this is, after all, a very common credit. There are a few instances where neither OMB nor OCB is appropriate - one such instance is the Showtime TV series "Masters of Horror", a series of standalone 50 minute "mini movies" where Mick Garris has a "Created by" credit in all the episodes. However, he has neither created the stories nor the characters for these episodes (apart from the ones he's written and directed, of course), but he's given a "Created by" credit because he created the actual series "Masters of Horror".
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And I was thinking that my question was simple 

Since I'm not a member of the rules forum I've never seen the poll. Nothing came from my search (too much irevelent topic or nothing) and I forgot to try google. I've check the season 2 and 3, since we don't really have a concensus, and she is not credited in the writting on the profile. The best solution at this time seem to don't give her the credit since this is how it was approve in the other 2 seasons that I own.
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The only problem with leaving the "created by" personnel out of the profiles vs. using OMB or OCB is that it will be very difficult to add "created by" credits into existing profiles if an when a "created by" credit is added to the roles allowed.  Unfortunately, you can't insert roles into existing episodes, you can only add them to the end of the list and then move the entry up to the proper credit.  This is a lot of work if you have the creater credited in each of 24 episodes.

On the other hand, if you enter the creator as OMB or OCB you could fairly easily change the role from OMB to Created by (or whatever it's called) just by higlighting the existing record and changing the role.

So, if I had MY druthers, I'd use OMB (since it covers more than just character names) for the series creators.

Of course if Ken were to tell us he would never add "Created By" to the list of approved roles, it's a different matter entirely.
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Quoting reybr:
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EDIT again: Here we have a poll about it. I also see that I was of a different opinion back then. The forum consensus I imagined must have changed my mind 

And that poll didn't give the option to vote for OMB. 

I think the best post so far was from Tracer where he dug this up:

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This is some information I found on a Writers site that detailing how the created by is used in television.

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Another point that is negotiated as part of the pilot/series deal is the length of time that that the pilot writer (or 'series creator') will be 'locked' or attached to the series, thereby continuing to receive screen credit and a fee. A studio will usually agree to lock the writer/creator to the series for at least one year, and in many cases two years. Again, this depends largely on the writer's status in the television industry. Top writer/producers, such as Steven Bochco, might be guaranteed an executive producer fee and credit for the 'life' (i.e., duration) of the series. A writer/creator might also be guaranteed the opportunity to write (and be paid for) a specified number of episodic scripts during each year of the series.

In addition to series producing fees, you may negotiate for a 'series sales bonus' (i.e., a sum of money payable as a bonus if and when the network orders series episodes based on the pilot). While the dollar amount of a series sales bonus will vary and is subject to negotiation, it is fairly standard today for a series sales bonus of $25,000 to be granted in the event the writer receives sole 'written by' credit on the pilot and sole 'created by' credit on the series. This bonus may be reduced if the writer receives shared credit and/or if fewer than a set number of episodes (usually 12) are actually produced.

Finally, the WGA Agreement requires that the writer or writers accorded 'created by' credit on a series receive a royalty (or payment) for each episode of the series that is produced beyond the pilot. The current WGA required royalty for network prime-time programming is approximately $1,000 per episode. Subject to this minimum, the actual amount of the royalty payable to the series creator is negotiable and may be as high as $6,000 per episode for top guns.

Assuming that the production falls within the WGA's jurisdiction, the Writer's Guild Agreement will determine the form of most writing credits. Typically, the writer or writers receiving 'written by' or 'story by' credit on the pilot will be accorded a 'created by' credit on the series. The WGA does not, however, govern producing credits. The terms and conditions relating to the writer's 'executive producer' or 'supervising producer' or even 'consultant' credit need to be specifically addressed by contract. In recent years, a number of established writers have requested 'logo' credits (which will typically appear in the end titles) in addition to their producer credits. For example, a 'Chase Films' logo appears at the end of every episode of The Sopranos at the request of that series' creator, David Chase.

It seems consistent to me to use OMB for Created by in the same way that such precedent writing credits are credited for films. (eg. writer of film A gets an OMB on the sequel to film A).
...James

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