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Disambiguating minor actors
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorRHo
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(...) in a case like this (adding Birth year/role names) Ken said we could use imdb... but not as a sole source.. you must have other sources to go with it.(...)

Where did Ken say this? I can't remember the part about more than one source.
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But you only need the BY data for ONE of the John Nolan's, both are unnecessary...

This is theoretically true... Until you find yourself having to re-install the software and doing a full restore from a back-up (for instance after a major computer crash). You will then find that where you previously had one John Nolan-with-birth-year and one without, you will now just have one John Nolan - with birth year... When this happened to me, I had to spend quite some time scrolling through the cast and crew lists having to make the same changes all over again...
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(...) in a case like this (adding Birth year/role names) Ken said we could use imdb... but not as a sole source.. you must have other sources to go with it.(...)

Where did Ken say this? I can't remember the part about more than one source.


I looked in the rules because I can't keep straight all the modifications that Ken has made only in the fourms.  I didn't see anything in the rules that went against what wintermute did under the circumstances.  It seems a reasonable effort was made, so I gave it (Batman Begins) a yes vote.

If we're going to take old forum posts from Ken as gospel, perhaps one of you with a better memory could collect them all into a single thread with links for those of us who can't remember so well.  Then we can get Ken to pin it.  Otherwise, I say if we're supposed to follow his guidance, he needs to put it in the rules.  Without either of those things happening, I can't fault someone for getting something "wrong".
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John Nolan born 1938:
1. http://www.omdb.si/index.php/ooseba/?i=204992
2. http://www.type40.com/People/pDetails.asp?ID=5874
3. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0634297/

John Nolan born 1933:
1. http://tvrage.com/person/id-5018/John+Nolan
2. http://www.citwf.com/person319821.htm
3. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0634293/

If you include these multiple sources for both birth years in the contribution notes, it should be ok, I think.
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But you only need the BY data for ONE of the John Nolan's, both are unnecessary...

This is theoretically true... Until you find yourself having to re-install the software and doing a full restore from a back-up (for instance after a major computer crash). You will then find that where you previously had one John Nolan-with-birth-year and one without, you will now just have one John Nolan - with birth year... When this happened to me, I had to spend quite some time scrolling through the cast and crew lists having to make the same changes all over again...


Yikes a backup bug, for Ken to fix. I hope he knows about this.

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I think as a general principle, the point about which is more important, differentiating actors or getting dead solid birth years, is still a valid question.  Personally, I could care less if the birth years are correct.  I'd gladly suffer some incorrect birth years if it meant getting the proper actors credited for their work.  Of course that's just my opinion.  It will come up more often as people start to get serious about this and dig into the golden age films.  I've been working on my database for a while and information on many of these older contract players is hard to come by.  That and their name variations over the course of their careers.


This is exactly my opinion on the matter.
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both votes are now changed to yes... now that there are more sources added for each.
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John Nolan born 1938:
1. http://www.omdb.si/index.php/ooseba/?i=204992
2. http://www.type40.com/People/pDetails.asp?ID=5874
3. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0634297/

John Nolan born 1933:
1. http://tvrage.com/person/id-5018/John+Nolan
2. http://www.citwf.com/person319821.htm
3. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0634293/

If you include these multiple sources for both birth years in the contribution notes, it should be ok, I think.

Some of the links above are now used in the contribution notes.

John Nolan born 1938:
1. http://www.omdb.si/index.php/ooseba/?i=204992

link above includes two films:
World Is Full of Married Men, The (1979)
Bequest to the Nation, A (1973)

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John Nolan born 1933:
2. http://www.citwf.com/person319821.htm

And if you search http://www.citwf.com/ you find two John Nolans (1933 and 1944).    The 1944 Nolans two films can also be found linked to the 1933 Nolan on IMDB.  No mention of Nolan (1938) on this site at all.

I can accept the Batman Nolan isn't the 1933 Nolan (died 2000) but this isn't evidence enough for me it's 1938 Nolan.  It could still be one of the other 7 acting Nolans on IMDB.

I'm happy to differentiate actors on evidence that is not rock solid but this is still only jello solid. 

An interesting line of evidence that could be pursued: on IMDB 1938 Nolan's bio mentions he's the uncle of Christopher Nolan, the Batman director.  By itself not conclusive but it could be pursued thru Christopher's bio info, of which there is certainly more on the web.
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I don't understand the need for a Birth Year in the first place. John Nolan from Quincy, M.E. has a middle initial "F". Just use that to distinguish between the two.
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I don't understand the need for a Birth Year in the first place. John Nolan from Quincy, M.E. has a middle initial "F". Just use that to distinguish between the two.

I'm 100% behind this idea, but we have folks running around claiming you can't make up a name because it isn't the "most credited".

I'm fast approaching a point where I'm going to have to address the entire cast and crew databases locally in some fashion because we collectively can't get our crap together.  Of course, once I do that no more cast and crew contributions.
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