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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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I kid you not:

DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorNosferatu
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How?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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I can only assume these are automatically being approved by bots. I can't imagine how a human Invelos screener would actually make this mistake - especially as this isn't the first time I'm seeing this. And besides those, most IMDb-scraped data actually gets in the database while claiming it all came "from the credits" when it clearly didn't. At least this user is flat out honest about it...
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorNosferatu
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If they are using bots to screen profile updates, then anything mentioning IMDb should be automatically and immediately flagged to be assessed by humans who know the rules.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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If they are using bots to screen profile updates, then anything mentioning IMDb should be automatically and immediately flagged to be assessed by humans who know the rules.

Indeed. But clearly that's not happening.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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Well, it's possible that it was elevated to manual screening, but the screener just made a mistake.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWigram
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I kid you not:



Was it a new profile? In my experience, provided the upc from the back cover and the profile id match, anything goes in the first approval. The rational is that the community hawks will correct it in later submissions.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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Was it a new profile? In my experience, provided the upc from the back cover and the profile id match, anything goes in the first approval. The rational is that the community hawks will correct it in later submissions.

I doubt that. You don't normally check the contribution notes when you download a profile. At least not unless something really stands out, like lots of uncredited cast. So the problem wouldn't be noted until someone contributes an update, which may take a long time (if ever). And in the meantime people could copy the incorrect cast and crew into other profiles. I find it hard to believe that Ken would have approved such an "anything goes" procedure.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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Was it a new profile?

Indeed it was. Those aren't being voted on, so only Invelos "evaluates" them - either by a bot or by an actual human. If it had been an update to an existing profile, it would have likely have been voted down.

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[...] anything goes in the first approval.

It would seem so, yes. Note that this isn't a one-off mistake - I'm seeing many of these. For initial contributions, it really does seem that it doesn't matter at all what you write in your contribution notes. I've seen people enter a just pun, or just a single word (like "New!"), and that's enough to get it approved. For those initial contributions, there seems to be no need at all anymore to mention where the cast/crew came from. And, as this example shows: even if you're so honest to admit that it's IMDb-mined data, even then that's apparently no problem.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorSpikyCactus
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I sometimes wonder if the ability to clone profiles to generate new profiles is more trouble than it's worth. If the first profile for a film is poor (which is quite frequently true, especially for older profiles), then the problems get duplicated again and again each time it's used and not checked - and I can understand why someone wouldn't check, as the source profile has already been approved, which gives a false sense of security.  If individuals haven't been connected to many films, it really messes up the Common Name process too.

I'm just finishing an update to a profile for a film that was originally populated by a clone from an existing profile, yet nearly all the crew and cast (and there're a lot) are wrong.  Most of the cast errors are with roles that don't match the onscreen credits or were just randomly missing; whilst the roles for crew are even more bizarre, such as a load of people listed as producers who aren't actually credited on-screen for anything, but on IMDb are credited as associate producers.  I think quite a few of the Common Names are probably wrong for many people as a result of the cloning too; all those accented letters!

I'd probably have been better starting from scratch using the awesome Cast & Crew Edit to get me to a decent starting point.  I all but gave up cloning profiles for new profiles when I realised how common this sort of thing is; it's just easier/quicker to do them from scratch, unless you can find an existing profile created/updated by someone you feel will have done an accurate job.

Okay, I've had my little bedtime rant now. 
Do you ever find yourself striving for perfection with an almost worthless attempt at it?  Guttermouth "Lemon Water".  Also, I include in my Profiler database VHS tapes, audio DVDs, audio books (digital, cassette and CD), video games (digital, DVD and CD) and 'enhanced' CDs with video tracks on them, as well as films and TV I've bought digitally.  So I'm an anarchist, deal with it.  Just be thankful I don't include most of my records and CDs etc in it too; don't think I haven't been tempted...
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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I sometimes wonder if the ability to clone profiles to generate new profiles is more trouble than it's worth.

I feel the same. That's why I wrote ContributionLookupPlus to facilitate following contributions back to the original first contribution.

In order to check cast and crew I use CastCrewCheck, taking the starting point either from the current profile, or from IMDb via DJ's CastCrewEdit.

Although I have to say that checking crew for newer films can be a headache. You may have to read through many hundreds of credits in an end credit roll that may take 15 minutes or more. Why they insist on crediting everyone from the director down to the person who empties the waste paper baskets (only a slight exaggeration) is beyond me.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMike D.
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I don't see them using bots. I do believe though that they have it set up so that a profile with no votes casts will get approved automatically. I have been seeing users submitting IMDb as their reference and have been voting them down.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorHotm@iler
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I had experienced the exact opposite.
This is a submission for the Belgium release of Zillion (EAN 8719372016329)


Like mentioned in the notes I did add the Cast exactly as credited, but made some comments about the uncredited cast and mentioned IMDb as an invalid source (N.B. updated notes were only for a typo I did make about the name of IMDb).

Either the screener did not read the whole information or the mentioning alone about IMDb did trigger the decline.

And the strangest part is, that I also did submit the same information for the Dutch release of this particular Blu-ray, but that one was accepted. Go figure.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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I have also had a contribution declined becauce I mentioned IMDb as an invalid source. Since then I always use the less specific term ”a third party database” just to avoid this. Obviously not a new profile, though.
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Quoting GSyren:
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I have also had a contribution declined because I mentioned IMDb as an invalid source. Since then I always use the less specific term ”a third party database” just to avoid this. Obviously not a new profile, though.

Yep, exactly this. Lessons learned.

I am, however, quite curious about those screeners, are there screeners specifically for each region/country or are they governed by Invelos for screening on a global scale? This could explain the time between submission and acceptance/decline for each profile, which is quite long nowadays.
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