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| Registered: November 24, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,294 |
| | Posted: | | | | Should we enter the Disc IDs that Windows 10 (and now 11) are creating, since late in 2018?
Please be aware that programs like AnyDVD bypass the Windows checks and still return the original Disc IDs under whatever Windows system you are running.
I am aware the Rules do not cover these "new" Disc IDs. That is part of the problem. If we are told to contribute them, that is fine.
What if Windows is changed again and they created a THIRD Disc ID for each DVD. Do we contribute that too?! |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,747 |
| | Posted: | | | | You can't really prevent from people doing so. They add the disc in the drive and use the appropriate function in the program and that's that.
Until we had actually cracked the code on how to compute the old DiscId I contributed loads of discs because I didn't think we could get the old way back and I figured that it's better than to not have the discs in the database there at all.
Also, you can't force people to use a plugin to do what the program supposedly does out of the box. | | | Karsten
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,693 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't know how to answer, because it's a complex question.
First of all it's important to remember that the problem only applies to DVD and not to Bluray or 4K Ultra. So here are the questions:
A) If a user is not running AnyDVD or similar:
- If a DVD has an old style disc id, should he add a new style disc id as well?
- If it's a new contribution, should he add a (new style) disc id, or leave it empty?
B) If a user is running AnyDVD or similar:
- If a DVD has an old style disc id, should he turn AnyDVD off and add a new style disc id?
- If it's a new contribution, should he add an old style disc id, or turn AnyDVD off and add a new style disc id?
Also, does adding a second disc id actually accomplish anything? I seem to remember there being some discussions about this, but I don't recall what, if anything, that was learned. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: November 24, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,294 |
| | Posted: | | | | The main problem seems to be this line in the Contribution Rules...
"If your Disc ID differs from the Disc ID in the main database, you may change it and re-contribute it. All Disc IDs are stored in the main database and are used for disc identification within DVD Profiler."
That doesn't rule out erroneous Disc IDs. |
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| Registered: October 22, 2015 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 275 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
You can't really prevent from people ding so. They add the disc in the drive and use the appropriate function in the program and that's that.
Until we've actually cracked the code on how to compute the old DiscId I contributed loads of discs because I didn't think we could get the old way back and I figured that it's better than to not have the discs in the database there at all.
Also, you can't force people to use a plugin to do what the program supposedly does out of the box. Agree, because any new Windows 10/11 DVD Disc-ID profile is accessible to ALL Windows 10/11 users and that is for the betterment of the community. To date, there has not been a single instance of a duplicate DVD disc-ID reported on Windows 10/11. |
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| Registered: November 24, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,294 |
| | Posted: | | | | But if Microsoft do finally fix this issue, all these "Windows 10" Disc IDs disappear overnight. | | | | Last edited: by GreyHulk |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ObiKen: Quote:
Agree, because any new Windows 10/11 DVD Disc-ID profile is accessible to ALL Windows 10/11 users and that is for the betterment of the community. To date, there has not been a single instance of a duplicate DVD disc-ID reported on Windows 10/11. As I understand it, Profiler stores all disc IDs for a single profile and only returns results to the user if one of those IDs matches the disc they have in their drive. If that is the case, and what you say is true, is this really an issue? If, as GeyHulk hopes, Microsoft 'fixes' this problem, it just means those numbers will sit there doing no harm...or have I missed something? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GreyHulk: Quote:
But if Microsoft do finally fix this issue, all these "Windows 10" Disc IDs disappear overnight. going on 7 years. don't think it will happen. |
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| Registered: November 24, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,294 |
| | Posted: | | | | My maths isn't that good but I'm pretty sure it has been just under 4 years, and we have had a world-wide pandemic for most of that. I can still hope. ;P Quoting ateo357: Quote:
going on 7 years. don't think it will happen. | | | | Last edited: by GreyHulk |
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| Registered: June 20, 2007 | | Posts: 85 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GreyHulk: Quote:
But if Microsoft do finally fix this issue, all these "Windows 10" Disc IDs disappear overnight. For that one should ask....is that really an "issue" which causes any problems....besides the (correct) creation of disc ids on the dvd profiler? Besides that. who can tell if the disc ids created before where "correct" and not wrong ones due to some "bug" which got fixed later? |
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| Registered: October 22, 2015 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 275 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
I don't know how to answer, because it's a complex question.
First of all it's important to remember that the problem only applies to DVD and not to Bluray or 4K Ultra. So here are the questions:
A) If a user is not running AnyDVD or similar:
- If a DVD has an old style disc id, should he add a new style disc id as well?
- If it's a new contribution, should he add a (new style) disc id, or leave it empty?
B) If a user is running AnyDVD or similar:
- If a DVD has an old style disc id, should he turn AnyDVD off and add a new style disc id?
- If it's a new contribution, should he add an old style disc id, or turn AnyDVD off and add a new style disc id?
Also, does adding a second disc id actually accomplish anything? I seem to remember there being some discussions about this, but I don't recall what, if anything, that was learned. These are my observations after examining UPC profiles on Windows 7 and Windows 10 platforms: Since 2017, I can see only two purposes for adding Disc IDs (DVD, Blu-ray, 4K) in a UPC profile: • storing all IDs in the main database (including multiple IDs in a UPC profile) • facilitate search within DVDprofiler using "Scan by DVD-ROM" option There was a third option, "Add by DiscID", which displayed matching UPC profile for any UPC DiscID approved prior to 2017. However, any UPC profile whose UPC DiscID was approved from 2017-onwards do not appear in "Add by DiscID". With regards to your adding DiscID scenarios in a UPC profile, all I can say is, if you want to search by "Scan by DVD-ROM Drive" then add it to the UPC profile. If you want to upload the DiscID then it should be useful to the rest of the community when searching by DVD-ROM drive. Please note that adding multiple Disc-IDs in a UPC profile works, however, it's a last in, first out situation (that is, last approved UPC DiscID is downloaded). |
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| Registered: October 22, 2015 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 275 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GreyHulk: Quote:
But if Microsoft do finally fix this issue, all these "Windows 10" Disc IDs disappear overnight. Waiting for Microsoft to fix the problem with the DVD DiscID is unrealistic. The Microsoft horse bolted in late 2018 with the Windows 10 version 1809 upgrade, when Microsoft forcibly removed their own software (Windows Media Center and Windows DVD Player) that both used the original DVD DiscID implementation for bookmarking purposes. Their intentions were clear then and even now, Microsoft is under no obligation to fix the problem as the Windows 10/11 DVD DiscID still complies with their DVD DiscID invention that was patented in 2005 (US Patent No.: 6871012 B1) and I quote: " it will be understood that the invention is not limited to the exemplary implementations disclosed, but is capable of numerous rearrangements, modifications and Substitutions without departing from the Spirit of the invention" To date, the Windows 10/11 DVD DiscID generated by DVDprofiler is still unique, there has not been a single report of a duplicate Windows 10/11 DVD DiscID. Invelos chose to use the Microsoft DIRECTSHOW APIs to calculate the DVD DiscID in their programming, and that is what the Windows 10/11 community are using when they submit their contributions. A NO vote means there should not be any Windows 10/11 DVD DiscIDs in the database, so what is the alternative, only allow a minority of AnyDVD users to use third-party software to contribute DVD box sets/TV series? How does a Windows 10/11 user search for the AnyDVD non-UPC DiscID profile using "Add by Disc ID" or conduct a local search "Scan by DVD-ROM"? They won't find the DiscID. How is that for the betterment of the Windows 10/11 community? | | | | Last edited: by ObiKen |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Those who only have Windows 10/11 have no other option than to contribute what they have.
Me: I still have AnyDVD so I will continue to contribute the old style disc IDs. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,463 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ObiKen: Quote:
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How does a Windows 10/11 user search for the AnyDVD non-UPC DiscID profile using "Add by Disc ID" or conduct a local search "Scan by DVD-ROM"? They won't find the DiscID. How is that for the betterment of the Windows 10/11 community? For those who don't mind a plugin that they can turn on / off as needed, you can try BulkEdit. It intercepts the pop up window thrown by scan the DVD and allows you you compute the old style discID using the DJDoena algorithm. BTW the intercept doesn't always work smoothly, but you can also use the menu to calculate manually. | | | Thanks for your support.
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Hey, new product!!! BDPFrog. | | | | Last edited: by mediadogg |
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| Registered: May 30, 2007 | | Posts: 55 |
| | Posted: | | | | So, I also have a copy of AnyDVD thanks to a member of this forum. If I run it and come up with the "proper" Disc ID for a movie that was already accepted and already exists in the main database with an "incorrect" Disc ID, what's the consensus on submitting the updated profile to the main database? Especially given the last sentence of ObiKen's May 09, 2022 5:26am post 4 back from this one. | | | | Last edited: by proverbs311031 |
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| Registered: May 30, 2007 | | Posts: 55 |
| | Posted: | | | | duplicate post, can't find a delete button. | | | | Last edited: by proverbs311031 |
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