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When the running time of a 4K disc isn't the same as that of the accompanying Blu-ray...
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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When faced with the two-disc set consisting of a 4K Ultra HD disc plus a Blu-ray disc, but both discs contain different cuts (i.e. the 4K disc has the theatrical version while the Blu-ray has an extended cut), then which running time prevails? Should that be the running time of the "main" media type, that would be the 4K Ultra HD disc, or should it be that of the extended cut only found on the accompanying Blu-ray disc? The rules aren't really clear on this. There's the bit that says:
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For branching titles, or those with multiple versions (e.g. Theatrical and Director's Cut) on the same disc, use the longest running time.

But that explicitly says "on the same disc" - that's not the case here.

Then there's this:
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Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. However, you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile.

4K isn't mentioned in this, but I gather that the idea is to favor the "highest quality" disc. So should I use the (shorter) running time that's on the 4K disc, then?

Of course, I understand that I can add a separate, Disc ID-based child profile for the Blu-ray disc, in which I can profile all of that disc's properties. There's obviously no question what to list there, but that child profile is optional - it's still important to know what we want to want to put into the main profile. Is it "always use the longest running time", or is it "use the running time of the 'best' media type"?
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Each disc should speak for itself, not that of the package...that's why we have children.
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Quoting mreeder50:
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Each disc should speak for itself, not that of the package...that's why we have children.

But children are optional, so, as I already said, we still have to decide what we put into the main profile. And that main profile, like it or not, does speak for *both* discs. That already starts at the "Media Type" field, which lists *both* media types. And then there's the features: it seems general practice that the main profile does not only list features that are present on the 4K disc, but also those that are present on the Blu-ray disc. Again, there's no question what to list in the (optional) child profile for the Blu-ray disc. The question I'm asking here is what to put in the parent, and "each disc should speak for itself" does not answer that.

Personally, I feel the running time of the 4K disc should prevail, but I just wanted to be sure.
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I think the intention is to take the longest cut on the highest resolution but more weight to the resolution.

So the road would be:

1) Find highest resolution, in this case 4K

2) Find longest cut in that resolution, in this case theatrical


The reason for this approach is that usually you buy something for the higher resolution and anything with lower res is just "by-catch"
Karsten
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDanae Cassandra
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I agree with DJ Doena - I think it should be the 4K runtime - but for different reason.

A 4K film is definitely advertised for the 4K.  The blu-ray is an included bonus (even if most include them).  The blu-ray profile is a child profile, therefore it is not the "main" profile.  Thus the 4K is the main, and it's information should include the info for the film as it exists on that disc.
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I agree with Karsten and Danae Cassandra.
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Also agree.
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Ditto
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Totally agree.
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I agree. If it's a 4K release, then take the Running Time from the 4K version.
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Agreed.
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Agree with Danae Cassandra.

Perhaps good to remember that, at the time of introduction of 4K, the industry decided to include the BluRay with every 4K (UHD) release under the assumption you'd still be in the process of buying a 4K-player. And if 4K wouldn't catch on, you'd always have the BluRay as fall-back.

As a side effect it allowed the industry to leave the extras only on the BluRay and use the "maximum space" for the 4K video file. Between brackets of course due to the number of audio tracks on the 4K disk.

So 4K is the main release and that length should be in the profile.
Eric

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I agree with the majority here. The 4K Ultra HD disc is the primary format and the profile should reflect the running time, audio tracks, subtitles etc. from the disc. The Blu-ray disc is almost a secondary feature and a child profile – with the longer running time – would reflect that.
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