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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKevin Coed
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So... if 'box-set' has been renamed 'slip-case' in the next upgrade... what happens to the case types that actually are boxes not slip-cases??
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So... if 'box-set' has been renamed 'slip-case' in the next upgrade... what happens to the case types that actually are boxes not slip-cases??

Good question. Have you tried asking Ken?
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I think some TV sets are Slip cases, and some are not.  If like the Wings sets, it's three thinpaks housed in a slip case, then it is a Slip Case.  If it's like Babylon 5 where the season is in one whopping digipak in a slp case, it's still a Digipak.

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If there's a single case inside a slip case, then use the interior case type.  If there is more than one case inside a slip case, then use "Slip Case."  Seems pretty simple to me--no need to differentiate TV from everything else.

Correct again! Don't let anyone tell you otherwise... 
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I think some TV sets are Slip cases, and some are not.  If like the Wings sets, it's three thinpaks housed in a slip case, then it is a Slip Case.  If it's like Babylon 5 where the season is in one whopping digipak in a slp case, it's still a Digipak.

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If there's a single case inside a slip case, then use the interior case type.  If there is more than one case inside a slip case, then use "Slip Case."  Seems pretty simple to me--no need to differentiate TV from everything else.

Correct again! Don't let anyone tell you otherwise... 

I agree.
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So... if 'box-set' has been renamed 'slip-case' in the next upgrade... what happens to the case types that actually are boxes not slip-cases??

Good question. Have you tried asking Ken?


Nope.
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Multiple digipaks hold multiple discs.  Multiple discs makes it a box set.


Don't be absurd.  A digipak that holds 6 discs is still a single case.  If there were six separate digipaks in a slip case, then you'd be right.  But I've never seen that.  Box set is no longer an option for case type.


Yes, you have.  A digipak is a single disc retainer.  Six of them glued to a cardboard backing that folds up is six digipak retainer.  "Digipak" can be used for both singular and plural.
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Multiple digipaks hold multiple discs.  Multiple discs makes it a box set.


Don't be absurd.  A digipak that holds 6 discs is still a single case.  If there were six separate digipaks in a slip case, then you'd be right.  But I've never seen that.  Box set is no longer an option for case type.


Yes, you have.  A digipak is a single disc retainer.  Six of them glued to a cardboard backing that folds up is six digipak retainer.  "Digipak" can be used for both singular and plural.

Indeed, a "digipak" can hold just one disc, or multiple discs. How many discs the digipak holds doesn't change the fact that it's a "digipak", however. Whether you call it a "box set" or not has nothing to do with packaging - this confusion is exactly the reason why Ken decided to no longer use the term "box set" in the case types department.

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Multiple discs makes it a box set.

You keep saying this, because you are convinced that it says something about the CASE TYPE. Well, it doesn't. Multiple discs (what you call a "box set") can be packaged in basically ANYTHING. It's no use debating over this entire issue if you can't grasp the fact that the term "box set" has absolutely nothing to do with packaging. I'll say it again: this confusion is exactly why Ken chose to eliminate the term "box set" from the case types department.
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http://www.digipak.com/products.html#standard_packaging

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Our family of platform packaging solutions include:

    * Digipak®, a multi-disc package that permits a vast range of configurations
    * SignaturePak™, a case-bound package that accommodates up to 6 discs
    * Digistak®*, a book-style package that holds 3-10 discs in standard configuration
    * DigiSmart™, a multi-panel, fold-out package for gift, loyalty or credit cards
      packaged alone or in combination with CDs or DVDs
    * Littlebook, a book-style, brochure package with a self-contained, fold-in
      graphic page


So a digipak is not the single tray.
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http://www.digipak.com/products.html#standard_packaging

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Our family of platform packaging solutions include:

    * Digipak®, a multi-disc package that permits a vast range of configurations
    * SignaturePak™, a case-bound package that accommodates up to 6 discs
    * Digistak®*, a book-style package that holds 3-10 discs in standard configuration
    * DigiSmart™, a multi-panel, fold-out package for gift, loyalty or credit cards
      packaged alone or in combination with CDs or DVDs
    * Littlebook, a book-style, brochure package with a self-contained, fold-in
      graphic page


So a digipak is not the single tray.

I was wondering if anyone was going to mention these.        

BTW, they have more.
Dan
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http://www.digipak.com/products.html#standard_packaging

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Our family of platform packaging solutions include:

    * Digipak®, a multi-disc package that permits a vast range of configurations
    * SignaturePak™, a case-bound package that accommodates up to 6 discs
    * Digistak®*, a book-style package that holds 3-10 discs in standard configuration
    * DigiSmart™, a multi-panel, fold-out package for gift, loyalty or credit cards
      packaged alone or in combination with CDs or DVDs
    * Littlebook, a book-style, brochure package with a self-contained, fold-in
      graphic page


So a digipak is not the single tray.

Pandora has just opened the box...er, slip case. 
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I honestly don't see why you keep saying this...Ken didn't change any TV set profiles to 'Slip Case' case type.  As a matter of fact, he didn't change a single profile.  He changed 'Box Set' to 'Slip Case' in the program.  Because it was a program change, it automatically updated every profile that had 'box set' as a case type.  Claiming that as some sort of endorsement is just illogical. 

As to the rest, the rules say what they say.  TV sets can be treated like box sets.  So I guess you can use slip case as the case type.  You may find, however, that those people who don't want to treat them as box sets, will argue with you and will want the inner case as the case type.


Come on Unicus...you are being obtuse here.  Do you really believe that Ken made this "program change" without any understanding of the effect that it would have on the main database?

By making the "program change" he effectively changed every profile in the main database that was using "Boxset" as a case type at that moment in time....including TV Sets!

I have to believe that he knew full well that thousands of TV Sets were in the main database with "Boxset" as the case type, therefore, he knew that his "program change" was going to change all of those profiles to "Slip Case".

If he did not intend for "Slip Case" to be used for TV Sets going forward (after the "program change"), it makes no sense for him to allow all of the existing TV Sets which formerly used "Boxset" as a case type, to be changed to "Slip Case".

You are over analyzing the words that he posted in the forums.  What he actually did is far more telling.
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Why in hell don't we knock off all this bickering,

I made a proposal (Method 1) that will eliminate all of it.  Why don't we all get behind it and recommend that Ken put it in place?

Or it that just too much to expect?


I like my solution better...see feature request thread.
Hal
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First let me apologize for not monitoring this more closely.  I had my nose too close to the coding grindstone and I didn't expect the furor over case type so fast.

I use this forum to gauge user responses to changes and intents before making changes to the rules, so don't interpret anything as a rule here until it's in the rule pages.  Feel free to dispute, argue, post alternatives, etc.

That said, here is another attempt to clarify the slip case usage, as I see it.  The 'Slip Case' case type is to be used for box sets only, and only for box sets which contain more than one physical case within.  Profiles for the child cases should use the case type of the individual contents.

Examples:
- Slip cover over keep case: Keep Case
- Slip cover over multi-disc digipak: Digipak
- Slip cover over multiple individual keep cases: Slip Case for parent, Keep Case for children

The intent of this direction is to require the least changes to existing types, and to accurately reflect the case that holds the discs.
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Thank you. That sounds most logical in my mind, and it looks like the majority agrees on that solution.

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First let me apologize for not monitoring this more closely.  I had my nose too close to the coding grindstone and I didn't expect the furor over case type so fast.

I use this forum to gauge user responses to changes and intents before making changes to the rules, so don't interpret anything as a rule here until it's in the rule pages.  Feel free to dispute, argue, post alternatives, etc.

That said, here is another attempt to clarify the slip case usage, as I see it.  The 'Slip Case' case type is to be used for box sets only, and only for box sets which contain more than one physical case within.  Profiles for the child cases should use the case type of the individual contents.

Examples:
- Slip cover over keep case: Keep Case
- Slip cover over multi-disc digipak: Digipak
- Slip cover over multiple individual keep cases: Slip Case for parent, Keep Case for children

The intent of this direction is to require the least changes to existing types, and to accurately reflect the case that holds the discs.


Thanks for the clarification Ken.  I come out on the wrong end of this but, such is life.  I am man enough to admit I read it wrong. 
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Thank you. That sounds most logical in my mind, and it looks like the majority agrees on that solution.

Agree. Thanks, Ken.

There will be some releases (Alien Quad) that will generate some discussion, but overall I like the direction.
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