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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Who see's the vote: the giver and the receiver. So that should be enough to draw conclusions on voting behaviour. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,005 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
Who see's the vote: the giver and the receiver. So that should be enough to draw conclusions on voting behaviour. But the receiver does not see who gave him the negative vote. | | | 
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,804 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
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I agree with you, my Klingon friend.  But you would be amazed at the vendetta/agenda voting...trust me.
I might be missing something, but what are you basing this on? Votes are private. You can't see who gave you a negative vote and I am quite sure that Ken isn't talking so...  Well, you can't know it with absolute certainty, but in the course of a thread you can have a very precise prediction about the authors of the bad votes (apart from some snipers not appearing in the forums...)  | | | | Thorsten | | | | Last edited: by kahless |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TomGaines: Quote:
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Who see's the vote: the giver and the receiver. So that should be enough to draw conclusions on voting behaviour.
But the receiver does not see who gave him the negative vote. Quite true, Tom. But as I said, I am willing to bet I could guess with a very high degree of confidence. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Come on, Mark, I'm not trying to quantify anything by how many of this or that group might get offended. I am simply pointing out that this isn't quite as cut and dried as some seem to think. We can either sit around like a bunch of old blue haired ladies at a society tea and make vacuous statements about nothing to each other to avoid offense, or we can act like adults and accept the fact that sometimes no matter how hard you try to avoid offending someone, it happens. I understand your point John. What you describe sounds really boring. But I think there's a fine line you can walk that isn't nearly as bad as you make it out to be. For example, I can have a grand old time at work. We used to be The Sisters of Providence Health Plan. It's no longer run by nuns, but it still has a very Catholic influence (we also still have one nun on staff). I also have the HR department on the other side of my cube wall. Now we don't behave like we do on poker night, but we're still able to have a good time with each other. I think it's the same here. Anyway, I'm tired of this conversation. Clearly we're not seeing eye to eye on this. I guess time will tell if people can still have a good time here or if it becomes so sanatized that it's no longer a fun place to visit. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kahless: Quote:
But who can or will open-minded presume to judge what is offensive and what is not? Ken and Gerri. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,804 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote:
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But who can or will open-minded presume to judge what is offensive and what is not?
Ken and Gerri. . Edit: Just bit on my tongue | | | | Thorsten | | | | Last edited: by kahless |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TomGaines: Quote:
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Who see's the vote: the giver and the receiver. So that should be enough to draw conclusions on voting behaviour.
But the receiver does not see who gave him the negative vote. That was my point. I have gotten some negative votes for some very innocuous posts. I guess, if I wanted to, I could blame that on certain people and claim it was vendetta driven, but that would be pure speculation.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,804 |
| | Posted: | | | | Maybe I'm a little bit nitpicking, but when Im reading something about "vendettas" in this thread, I think that using this expression (vendette=blood feuds) is trivializing this kind of mafia behaviour. Here in Hamburg/Germany we have sometimes the doubtful "amusement" of seeing what a vendetta means in reality! Maybe some other users have similar experiences in their town/country. So IMHO using those kind of martial expressions in these forums are a little bit exaggerated.  | | | | Thorsten |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
As I said, Ken has pointed out the the system will not allow for users to simply vote negatively on something they disagree with. Achim, I don't think the one person who gave me a negative vote was following this philosophy. I tried very hard in writing the post which earned me the negative vote to be polite and non-insulting. I did offer criticism to another user - but I was careful to word it in such a way that any "normal" person would not find offensive. Clearly I overestimated the audience. The only thing I believe this voter could have against my post is that he disagreed with it. Since you can't give comments with your negative votes (as you do with negative contributions) how can Ken, et. al., determine if the marginally offered negative (or positive) votes are not merely something they disagree with. Or if you CAN give reasons (I don' know because I haven't voted negatively against anyone) then I think the recipient of the negative should have access to that reason. How can I change my mis-behavior if I don't know what someone thiniks I did wrong? | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,918 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
You seem to take great delight in deliberately miscontruing what I've said. So, I will no longer continue this discussion with you. It's patently obvious you've made up your mind and nothing will change it. Have a nice day. Very mature to back out of a conversation, one positive vote for you! Looks like it gave you your gold star too! |
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| Registered: March 21, 2007 |  Posts: 171 |
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You seem to take great delight in deliberately miscontruing what I've said. So, I will no longer continue this discussion with you. It's patently obvious you've made up your mind and nothing will change it. Have a nice day.
Very mature to back out of a conversation, one positive vote for you! Looks like it gave you your gold star too! I don't think it is mature to make a statement detailing why you won't respond any further. The mature route would have been not to say anything. | | | | Graham |
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| Registered: March 23, 2007 |  Posts: 317 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
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Who see's the vote: the giver and the receiver. So that should be enough to draw conclusions on voting behaviour.
But the receiver does not see who gave him the negative vote.
Quite true, Tom. But as I said, I am willing to bet I could guess with a very high degree of confidence.
Skip But based upon what? Are you saying that you're receiving negative votes, but they must be because of grudges? You often say that we don't know anything about you and we shouldn't be judgmental, but if my assumptions above are correct (and it's about all my weary brain can deduce from your comments at the moment) and you're coming to a conclusion based upon your assumptions about people you hardly know, then It looks like a you're making a fairly baseless accusation. What are you trying to achieve? Are you just trying to stir the pot, or am I missing something obvious? Stuart Edit: Explanation via PM made much mores sense. These are not the droids you're looking for. You may go about your business. | | | This is a sig... ... ... yay...
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting FUBAR: Quote:
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You seem to take great delight in deliberately miscontruing what I've said. So, I will no longer continue this discussion with you. It's patently obvious you've made up your mind and nothing will change it. Have a nice day.
Very mature to back out of a conversation, one positive vote for you! Looks like it gave you your gold star too!
I don't think it is mature to make a statement detailing why you won't respond any further. The mature route would have been not to say anything. Gotta agree with Fubar on this. To accuse hal of taking "great delight in deliberately miscontruing" what he said, is not mature. Mature would have been to agree to disagree then back out of the conversation...but that's just my opinion. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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