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case type of box set vs. digipack
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantRifter
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Guys, let's not loose our temper here!
@Rifter: what casetype would you give to a (single) Keepcase containing 4 movies, without any sort of extra cover. I.e. from the outside, it just looks like a Keepcase, if you open it, there are 4 movies in it instead of 1.



I would profile it as a box set, with a master, and four child profiles.  The master would get 'box set' checked, and each child would get 'keep case' checked.  That assumes four discs.  The only difference would be if it only had two discs, then I would use dividers as needed -- otherwise exactly the same.

When you are profiling a boxed set, the master profile only shows the information on the outer box.  Because some people don't do child profiles, you have no way of knowing its a box set at a quick glance without that check-off under case type.  So, it serves TWO PURPOSES.  It identifies the entire unit as a box set, and identifies the profile as that of the master profile.  And until the rules get revamped, that is the only logical way to do it.
John

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What?  Who said anything about a single movie?  And I've never seen a single movie in a digipack.  In fact, by definition that can't be, as a digipack holds multiple discs in some sort of fold out container.


The Godfather boxset contains individual Digipaks all containing 1 single disk. So I would assume that it is perfectly possible to have a fold-open digipak with 1 disk. It would probably have a slip cover to keep the digipak from falling open.

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A box set is two or more movies/episodes.  The number of discs is irrelevant.


So my single disc 3 episode teaser for Dark Angel would be a box set ? I really don't think anyone will buy that.
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I would profile it as a box set, with a master, and four child profiles.  The master would get 'box set' checked, and each child would get 'keep case' checked.  That assumes four discs.  The only difference would be if it only had two discs, then I would use dividers as needed -- otherwise exactly the same.


Although this is a totally different discussion: why would you change your mind if there are only 2 movies ? I think according to the rules, you should still have an 'empty' parent profile and two child profiles on DiskID that represent the two movies.
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What?  Who said anything about a single movie?  And I've never seen a single movie in a digipack.  In fact, by definition that can't be, as a digipack holds multiple discs in some sort of fold out container.

A box set is two or more movies/episodes.  The number of discs is irrelevant.

You are confusing case type with boxset handling.
"A box set is two or more movies/episodes": Correct. Here we have boxset handling. Nobody says anything different here. But it is not necessarily a case type boxset.

And also you argue, that a digipak inside a slipcase should have case type boxset. And I say they are single movies inside digipaks with slipcase. Should they be also case type = boxset?
And yes, single movie in digipaks exists. I have a few. For example Terminator 1 (RC2) is such a case. The movie + bonus disc in a foldout digipak with slipcase around it.



Nope, sorry, that isn't what you said.  You changed the parameters.  What you are describing is a two-disc set, and it could just as easily be in a double keep case.  There is no such animal as a SINGLE DISC digipack.

And you're still missing the point.  The current way the program is set up, you HAVE to allow for the packaging in order to properly describe a box set.  Making the changes I suggested would eliminate that problem.
John

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Guys, let's not loose our temper here!
@Rifter: what casetype would you give to a (single) Keepcase containing 4 movies, without any sort of extra cover. I.e. from the outside, it just looks like a Keepcase, if you open it, there are 4 movies in it instead of 1.


I would profile it as a box set, with a master, and four child profiles.

Correct so far...

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The master would get 'box set' checked

And there you go wrong. The rules say: "Specify the type of packaging in which the DVD is released." In this example, there is only a keepcase, no outer cover of any kind. I understand WHY you would want to choose "box set" - to indicate the profile type. But the rules don't allow this, they just tell you to state the kind of packaging. Again: you don't have to convince us that the profile should be set up as a box set, with child profiles. We all agree with that. The case type, however, remains a keepcase.
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Nope, sorry, that isn't what you said.  You changed the parameters.  What you are describing is a two-disc set, and it could just as easily be in a double keep case.  There is no such animal as a SINGLE DISC digipack.

I didn't "change the parameters". I said that single movies come in digipaks. And yes there are single DISC releases in a digipak. I have also a few from them. E.g. Tegan and Sara: "It's Not Fun. Don't Do It!" to name one.


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I would profile it as a box set, with a master, and four child profiles.  The master would get 'box set' checked, and each child would get 'keep case' checked.  That assumes four discs.  The only difference would be if it only had two discs, then I would use dividers as needed -- otherwise exactly the same.


Although this is a totally different discussion: why would you change your mind if there are only 2 movies ? I think according to the rules, you should still have an 'empty' parent profile and two child profiles on DiskID that represent the two movies.


You can't give a separate profile for each movie if they are on the same side of the disc.  You have to use dividers to separate cast and crew from each one.  Basically, they are done as if they were TV episodes, just longer.  So, if you had two discs with 2 movies each (instead of 4 discs with 1 movie each), then you would have a parent and two children.  Of course, if you have each movie on its own side of a disc, then you would have a parent, with 4 children (each half disc has its own ID).
John

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Nope, sorry, that isn't what you said.  You changed the parameters.  What you are describing is a two-disc set, and it could just as easily be in a double keep case.  There is no such animal as a SINGLE DISC digipack.

I didn't "change the parameters". I said that single movies come in digipaks. And yes there are single DISC releases in a digipak. I have also a few from them. E.g. Tegan and Sara: "It's Not Fun. Don't Do It!" to name one.


You'll have to post a picture of that.  I simply don't believe you can have a single disc digipack.  That breaks the definition of a digipack.
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Guys, let's not loose our temper here!
@Rifter: what casetype would you give to a (single) Keepcase containing 4 movies, without any sort of extra cover. I.e. from the outside, it just looks like a Keepcase, if you open it, there are 4 movies in it instead of 1.


I would profile it as a box set, with a master, and four child profiles.

Correct so far...

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The master would get 'box set' checked

And there you go wrong. The rules say: "Specify the type of packaging in which the DVD is released." In this example, there is only a keepcase, no outer cover of any kind. I understand WHY you would want to choose "box set" - to indicate the profile type. But the rules don't allow this, they just tell you to state the kind of packaging. Again: you don't have to convince us that the profile should be set up as a box set, with child profiles. We all agree with that. The case type, however, remains a keepcase.


So, instead of perpetuating something that is wrong, why don't you lobby to get the program changed to reflect things properly?  Case type should refer to the actual thing that physically holds the disc itself, not the outer cover.  There should be another check-off box to indicate whether or not the entire unit is a box set, and the case type description should be changed to read "Box Set Outer Cover".  THEN, we can indicate if it is or isn't a box set, AND indicate what type of outer case it has.  In those cases where its an oversized keepcase, you could check that.  But I still say that you can't have a box set outer cover that is a digipack.
John

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You'll have to post a picture of that.  I simply don't believe you can have a single disc digipack.  That breaks the definition of a digipack.

I do not have a camera at hand, but believe me, single disc digipaks exists. Mostly music DVDs.
But that has no influence on the argument. Even if it is a two-disc movie release in a digipak with the movie on one disc + a bonus disc, doesn't warrant a boxset handlung according to Profiler rules. So your argument about entering boxset as case type in the parent profile doesn't work here.


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Hmmm, according to the official Digipak website a Digipak® is indeed defined as "a multi-disc package that permits a vast range of configurations".

Now I wonder what the case type my Panic Room DVD (043396064577) has... Custom...? It only has one "digipak" style tray...
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Here I found pictures of typical single disc digipaks.


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Hmmm, according to the official Digipak website a Digipak® is indeed defined as "a multi-disc package that permits a vast range of configurations".

I think we should not read to much in that multi-disc statement. It says "permits a vast range of configurations".
Also this company is the inventor of digipaks which they first used for single CD releases for record labels.
See this Wiki-article. It says "Digipaks typically consist of a gatefold (book-style) paperboard or card stock outer binding, with one or more plastic trays capable of holding a CD or DVD attached to the inside."


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Achim:

Since when do we apply outside definitions , it seems to be a pasttime that has been created recently. "Well accordig to the DGA or WGA or this  or that".

Panic Room is a Digipak.

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FYI: I just posted two polls just because I was curious what others would use.
Rifter definitely seems to be totally in the minority so far. Poll 1 : 1/9 agrees with him. Poll 2 : 0/8 agree.
But I'll wait a bit longer since 9 votes are not really representative yet.
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Tom, Skip, don't worry. I was being ironic with my second sentence. Of course I agree that Panic Room is a single-disc digipak.
Achim [諾亞信; Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
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