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I do not believe what opinions about the case types suddenly appear. It has been consensus and has been handled it this way for years, that the case type boxset is only to be used when it is a slipcase holding separate cases for the discs (e.g. keep cases or slim cases).
Not when this slipcase is holding a digipak. Then it is still a digipak (which is, as it was already mentioned, the standard for packaging digipaks).

If we would suddenly change, that a digipak inside a slipcase is automatically a boxset (casetype) then most movies released in digipaks are suddenly to be entered as boxsets 

I have a lot of TV boxsets released as digipaks with slipcase (mostly RC1) and none was entered as case type boxset or will get only yes votes when it is corrected to digipak.

I can't help the fact that a lot of this stuff has been entered wrong, but the fact is the rules haven't been right for a long time either.  But a box set is a box set is a box set, and calling it something different just because a bunch of people did it wrong before is no excuse for not rectifying things now.

The big problem here is that there have been two definitions of "box set" floating around and no clear explanation to differentiate them.  The term 'box set' as used currently in Profiler refers to the outer cover on a collection of discs, no more, no less.  The other term should actually be 'boxed set' (notice the 'ed') which refers to the entire entity of outer case, inner packaging, discs, etc.  Over time that has gotten abbreviated to 'box set' which is what created the confusion.  Go to any store front website that sells these things and do a search for "TV box sets" and what you'll get are all your season sets -- regardless of how the discs are held in place internally.  If you put just "box sets" in the search block, you'll get movie sets in there as well.  Go to any walk-in store and ask a sales clerk where the DVD box sets are on display, and they will take you to the shelves with all the TV Season sets, etc.  Do a search, or ask for, digipacks and you'll get a 'not found' or a blank stare.  I've tried it.

How long do we have to go along perpetuating something that isn't right, just because some people are afraid they might have to make a change in a bunch of master profiles?

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When profiling that, the outer container is the "box set cover" whether its a slipcase, a slip cover, or a metal tin, and we should call it the "box set cover".

So now you are saying that Slip Covers (which have 2 open sides) are now also Box Sets ? I am pretty sure that that is not the consensus of the Slip Case = Boxset camp, and it is surely never mentioned like that in the famous Casetype thread.
(BTW, I like that even better since it doesn't make a distinction between slip case or slip cover. Yet I don't like it as much as T!M and my interpretation ).

You guys aren't paying attention.  Here's an example:  You have 5 keepcases, each with a John Wayne movie inside, and those five are in an outer cover, which is sold as a box set.  There are a number of these, so that should be no problem right?  Now, take those same 5 movies, and change the outer cover so that it is open on each end and slips OVER the 5 keepcase.  Is that no longer a box  set because it has a slip COVER instead of a slip CASE?  The point here is that if it meets the definition of a box(ed) set, ie., two or more movies OR a TV season, how the outer case is configured in immaterial.  It is still profiled as a 'box set' when you do the master profile.  By the way, I have a John Wayne set that is made up precisely that way.  It is no different if the contents is contained in a digipack instead of keep cases.

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If I can pick up a container with multiple discs in it, and the content of those discs is EITHER several movies OR a season(s) of a TV show, that is a box(ed) set.  Notice the parentheses.

Once again, you're confusing PROFILE TYPE with CASE TYPE. Read that sentence a couple of times before you reply, and think hard. I completely agree that the sets you describe should be set up as "box set" profiles (thus: PROFILE TYPE="box set"), but that doesn't say anything about what it's packaged in. That set of yours - PROFILE TYPE="box set" - could have any kind of packaging: the discs could all be in a single keepcase, they could be in a digipak,... Or: they could be packaged as a "box set" (multiple discs, separately packaged, being held together by some kind of box). Then, and only then, should you use "box set" as case type. We do not use "box set" as an indicator of the PROFILE TYPE. That has been the consensus for years, and the rules also don't indicate this usage in any way.

I'm trying very hard not to lose my temper here.  I am NOT confusing anything.  I'm trying to explain why there is confusion, and how to fix it.  I am perfectly aware that the available choices do not include 'slip case' or 'slip cover'.  All we have to use is 'box set.'  I will also point AGAIN that I am only referring to the master/parent profile.

The rules have been hosed for more than two years, because some people can't get it through their heads what a box set is as an entity, and because of that, they have profiled the parent two different ways because the packaging is different.

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I'm trying very hard not to lose my temper here.

There's no need - you're just making an honest mistake. If you won't take it from me or Repter, then read TomGaines' excellent post. We have all been doing things this way for years, and it happens to be the correct way.

It remains important that you realise that there is a big difference between PROFILE TYPE and CASE TYPE. Your John Wayne example shows that you clearly don't understand what we're talking about.

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I'm trying very hard not to lose my temper here.

There's no need - you're just making an honest mistake. If you won't take it from me or Repter, then read TomGaines' excellent post. We have all been doing things this way for years, and it happens to be the correct way.

It remains important that you realise that there is a big difference between PROFILE TYPE and CASE TYPE. Your John Wayne example shows that you clearly don't understand what we're talking about.

Don't patronize me, Tim.  I've been doing these as long as you have.  And it's only your opinion that you're right.  I don't agree, and what's more, nobody in retail agrees with your method either.

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Can't you get through your head that the master profile deals with the whole entity?  It is the outer wrapper, so to speak, that holds the profiles for each movie/disc inside.  The way the program is set up, you are forced into a situation where the case type check-off ALSO describes what it is - a box set.

I base things as follows:

1.  Does it meet the definition of a box set?  If yes, check 'box set' for case type on the MASTER ONLY.
2.  Identify each disc and profile it as necessary, and check the appropriate case type it is held in, for CHILD ONLY.
3.  If there are multiple movies/episodes on one side, profile using dividers, and check case type as appropriate, for CHILD ONLY.

The entries in the case type list MUST BE CHANGED so that instead of 'Box Set' it says 'Boxed Set Outer Container'.  That single change would make it usable by ALL for any boxed set, whether TV or movie, whether keeps or digipack, or whatever other weird thing Hollywood comes up with.

You're still not getting the profile type against case type thing... You're making a wonderful case why these profiles should be set up as box sets - but none of us disagrees with that. It's just not saying anything about the case type. You insist on using the case type field for something that it isn't meant for.

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There is no master and child profile for single movies released in a digipak. With your reasoning, those would be entered as case type = boxset even though they are digipaks with a slipcase around it.

What?  Who said anything about a single movie?  And I've never seen a single movie in a digipack.  In fact, by definition that can't be, as a digipack holds multiple discs in some sort of fold out container.

A box set is two or more movies/episodes.  The number of discs is irrelevant.

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And I've never seen a single movie in a digipack.  In fact, by definition that can't be, as a digipack holds multiple discs in some sort of fold out container.

Wrong again! I just audited the new "special collector's edition" of 'The Truman Show' (R2): it's a digipak with one disc. But it really is a digipak, I assure you. But let's not cloud this debate with stuff like this. We're talking about two different issues here:

1. You are, incorrectly, convinced that you should use "box set" as case type on every set that has multiple movies, or TV-sets that consist of more than one disc.

2. The fact the some users insist to use case type "box set" for anything (be it a keepcase, digipak, whatever) that you slide vertically out of its outer cover.

These are two completely different issues. It seems that you will be able to find some support on the second issue, although I consider it utter nonsense. But the first issue was already settled a long time ago, as you've been told not only by me, but also by TomGaines and even by Skip in another thread. If you want to continue to argue about this, let's deal with these topics one at a time, please.