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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
So two Slip Cases are profiles differently? The shell of one box set (The Godfather, a Slip Case containing several separate digipaks) is different to the shell of another one (Alien Quadrilogy, a Slip Case containing a fold-out digipak)? Where is a "clear cut" common sense in that 
It obviously need clarification, requiring a program adjustment. Let's close this thread. No, they aren't different. If you can take the contents out of the slip case box, whether its in keepcases or a fold out digipack, the outer box still gets called a box set for purposes of the master profile. Only the child profiles will register the difference in the internal package. But, as I said before, the program should be changed so that it says "Boxset Slipcase Cover" or something similar for the master profile. I don't think anybody has any problem with child profiles and what to use there. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote:
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Those Disney titles, and I have some of them also, are not in 'slip cases' they are in 'slip covers.' So, no, you don't have to change anything.
Not in R2 country. In R2 they are Slip cases So what if it goes in sideways instead of top or bottom! By definition, a SINGLE MOVIE with an outer cover over the keepcase, the outer cover is called a "slip cover" for profiling purposes. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
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| | Registered: March 18, 2007 |  Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote:
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So, you're trying to tell me that Season 3, for instance, of '24' isn't a box set because it holds the individual discs in a digipack? That's ludicrous.
No, he's not. He's saying that the CASE TYPE isn't a box set. Exactly! And while I still have to revise my TV series boxes, I already note that my 24 boxes are indeed profiled as Digipak and not as Boxset. So it really looks like the consensus in locality Netherlands is what T!M and I have been discussing here all along. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote:
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So, you're trying to tell me that Season 3, for instance, of '24' isn't a box set because it holds the individual discs in a digipack? That's ludicrous.
No, he's not. He's saying that the CASE TYPE isn't a box set. Then he's wrong, unless he's referring to a child profile for one disc out of the set. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
So what if it goes in sideways instead of top or bottom! By definition, a SINGLE MOVIE with an outer cover over the keepcase, the outer cover is called a "slip cover" for profiling purposes. So: * a keepcase with 1 movie = keepcase * a keepcase with 1 movie and a slip case = keepcase * a keepcase with 2 movies = keepcase * a keepcase with 2 movies and a slip cover = keepcase * a keepcase with 2 movies and a slip case = boxset Sorry, but this makes no sense. Again, this whole slip cover vs slip case distinction is just broken. |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote:
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Those Disney titles, and I have some of them also, are not in 'slip cases' they are in 'slip covers.' So, no, you don't have to change anything.
Not in R2 country. In R2 they are Slip cases I rest my case. Following this logic, reybr's Disney titles would indeed be considered "box sets". Apart from defying common sense in every imaginable way possible, that is the most obvious indication of all that this whole line of reasoning is wrong. |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Then he's wrong, unless he's referring to a child profile for one disc out of the set. I already know we are 'wrong' according to the 'rules'. The debate now is in fact questioning those rules because they defy all logic. And moreover, 'our' rule is clearly the consensus in locality Netherlands, hence the No votes that the Topicstarter got. And although I'm the first to admit that this doesn't give us therefore the right to ignore the actual rules, it surely is an indication that the actual rules are anything but clear and logical. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
So what if it goes in sideways instead of top or bottom! By definition, a SINGLE MOVIE with an outer cover over the keepcase, the outer cover is called a "slip cover" for profiling purposes. Not according to Achim earlier in this thread or what Dan has stated earlier: "Evn worse is, and that came up during a previous discussion we had, there is oddball situations, where a single movie is in a keep case which is then housed in a Slip Case. Technically a Box Set." And I should also state that this isn't oddball situations in R2 country at all EDIT... According to the Dan this is should have box set as case type. I don't think so. It's clearly a keep case inside the slip case | | | 
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| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Repter: Quote:
* a keepcase with 2 movies and a slip cover = keepcase
* a keepcase with 2 movies and a slip case = boxset
Sorry, but this makes no sense. Again, this whole slip cover vs slip case distinction is just broken. Agreed! I don't see how anyone can support this. Not just because it makes no sense at all, but also since neither the rules nor the software recognize the terms "slip case" and "slip cover", let alone distinguish between them. |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote:
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So what if it goes in sideways instead of top or bottom! By definition, a SINGLE MOVIE with an outer cover over the keepcase, the outer cover is called a "slip cover" for profiling purposes.
Not according to Achim earlier in this thread or what Dan has stated earlier:
"Evn worse is, and that came up during a previous discussion we had, there is oddball situations, where a single movie is in a keep case which is then housed in a Slip Case. Technically a Box Set."
And I should also state that this isn't oddball situations in R2 country at all Indeed: I have dozens of these. And no-one in their right mind would enter these as "box sets". |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
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So, you're trying to tell me that Season 3, for instance, of '24' isn't a box set because it holds the individual discs in a digipack? That's ludicrous.
No, he's not. He's saying that the CASE TYPE isn't a box set.
Exactly!
And while I still have to revise my TV series boxes, I already note that my 24 boxes are indeed profiled as Digipak and not as Boxset. So it really looks like the consensus in locality Netherlands is what T!M and I have been discussing here all along. With all due respect, we don't care what you call in the Netherlands, or in your local database. The issue is what to call it in the online which EVERYBODY uses. If I can pick up a container with multiple discs in it, and the content of those discs is EITHER several movies OR a season(s) of a TV show, that is a box (ed) set. Notice the parentheses. When profiling that, the outer container is the "box set cover" whether its a slipcase, a slip cover, or a metal tin, and we should call it the "box set cover". Whatever method is used to secure the discs can be listed in the child profiles, whether it be keep case, digipack, drawer, whatever. That completely eliminates the confusion. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,005 |
| | Posted: | | | | I do not believe what opinions about the case types suddenly appear. It has been consensus and has been handled it this way for years, that the case type boxset is only to be used when it is a slipcase holding separate cases for the discs (e.g. keep cases or slim cases). Not when this slipcase is holding a digipak. Then it is still a digipak (which is, as it was already mentioned, the standard for packaging digipaks). If we would suddenly change, that a digipak inside a slipcase is automatically a boxset (casetype) then most movies released in digipaks are suddenly to be entered as boxsets I have a lot of TV boxsets released as digipaks with slipcase (mostly RC1) and none was entered as case type boxset or will get only yes votes when it is corrected to digipak. | | | 
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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* a keepcase with 2 movies and a slip cover = keepcase
* a keepcase with 2 movies and a slip case = boxset
Sorry, but this makes no sense. Again, this whole slip cover vs slip case distinction is just broken.
Agreed! I don't see how anyone can support this. Not just because it makes no sense at all, but also since neither the rules nor the software recognize the terms "slip case" and "slip cover", let alone distinguish between them. That indicates that the rules need to be updated then, doesn't it? I've been trying to get this done for more than two years!  | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
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| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,738 |
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Then he's wrong, unless he's referring to a child profile for one disc out of the set.
I already know we are 'wrong' according to the 'rules'. The debate now is in fact questioning those rules because they defy all logic. And moreover, 'our' rule is clearly the consensus in locality Netherlands, hence the No votes that the Topicstarter got. And although I'm the first to admit that this doesn't give us therefore the right to ignore the actual rules, it surely is an indication that the actual rules are anything but clear and logical. By using 'our' rule you certainly wouldn't be "ignoring the actual rule" - instead you'd be choosing not to copy a mistake made in the case types-thread. While that thread may be linked to from within the rules, that is for "further information" and "the opportunity to ask questions". We can hardly consider that rules, especially since - I'll keep pointing that out - neither the rules nor the software actually recognize the terms "slip cover" or "slip case". So we're doing nothing wrong - we're just calling a digipak a digipak, whether it slides out of its outer box horizontically or vertically. |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TomGaines: Quote:
I do not believe what opinions about the case types suddenly appear. It has been consensus and has been handled it this way for years, that the case type boxset is only to be used when it is a slipcase holding separate cases for the discs (e.g. keep cases or slim cases).
Not when this slipcase is holding a digipak. Then it is still a digipak (which is, as it was already mentioned, the standard for packaging digipaks).
If we would suddenly change, that a digipak inside a slipcase is automatically a boxset (casetype) then most movies released in digipaks are suddenly to be entered as boxsets
I have a lot of TV boxsets released as digipaks with slipcase (mostly RC1) and none was entered as case type boxset or will get only yes votes when it is corrected to digipak. Jay - a voice of reason! |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
When profiling that, the outer container is the "box set cover" whether its a slipcase, a slip cover, or a metal tin, and we should call it the "box set cover". So now you are saying that Slip Covers (which have 2 open sides) are now also Box Sets ? I am pretty sure that that is not the consensus of the Slip Case = Boxset camp, and it is surely never mentioned like that in the famous Casetype thread. (BTW, I like that even better since it doesn't make a distinction between slip case or slip cover. Yet I don't like it as much as T!M and my interpretation  ). |
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