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Debate on 'Common Names'. Opinions wanted. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Actually I named no names deliberately. Don't get all paranoid. I have nothing against you, at all, that is your interpretation, I will tell you that you are dead wrong. And BTW yes I remeber our Francois discussion and you got the same reaction, follow the rules I don't care how you think it should be done. I don't care how i think it should be done....follow the Rules and if you don't want to do that, don't complain about it there are places that will not tell you to.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Kevin | Registered March 22, 2001 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 609 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: I won't contribute anymore in those conditions. If I were to reply to this (but I'm not, because Tim ordered me not to post anymore) I would say I'm in the exact opposite problem of you. Because I don't believe this "Common name" crap/drek/junk/doggerel will work, and will just cause problems, I will now be unable to receive any updated cast and crew from profiles. All because of a few people, and NOT vox populi. But you didn't hear it from me, because I'm not allowed to post anymore. |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,918 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: ... I said that a strict application of the rules (as recopy spelling mistakes ) seems mad to me and that I won't contribute anymore in those conditions. I'd sugest that you simply don't contribute profiles that would force you to do things that you don't agree with such as recopy spelling mistakes. Another option I remember seeing is to make the contribution anyway, even with the annoying errors, and then correct them on your local database with a lock to prevent the annoying version from downloading. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | The problem Doc is that surfeur thinks he knows more than the filmmakers and the data they supplied. He has argued this with me at various points for several years now. he always gets the sme response and he always behaves the same way. Ihave told him what you have said numerous times, he wants to be able to impose HIS will upon the database because he KNOWS better. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,029 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: I also am deeply amused at the vociferous abilities of lurkers who don't Contribute but want to leech off the work of everyone else. Quoting Kevin: Quote: Because I don't believe this "Common name" crap/drek/junk/doggerel will work, and will just cause problems, I will now be unable to receive any updated cast and crew from profiles. All because of a few people, and NOT vox populi. And I am not amused at all by these statements. As you can easily see by checking my user profile, I haven't contributed any profiles to v3 for reasons I outlined elsewhere. I am however the author of the Name Variants plugin, which should be proof enough that I have some insight into the topic of "common names". The other one, who has even more insight, recently told you that the feature is widely used and understood by contributors and voters. So I think you two simply have some catching up to do. | | | Matthias |
| | Kevin | Registered March 22, 2001 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 609 |
| Posted: | | | | So because I am making a statement of my beliefs, you are vilifying me, when I never mentioned you, don't know anything about your plugin, etc.
Very good. Why don't you next tell me what I should or should not personally believe. Because I guess I don't have free will.
I am not "amused" by your statement either. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Do you have some reason to feel guilty, goodguy. Or are you being a bot to sensitive. I repeat I named NO ONE in particular. Nor am I going to pass judgement on everyone who gets his nose twisted. Lighten up, dude. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,029 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kevin: Quote: So because I am making a statement of my beliefs, you are vilifying me, when I never mentioned you, don't know anything about your plugin, etc. I had to look up "vilify", sorry, not a native English speaker. I don't think it applies, but since you have no problem "vilifying" Ken's work by calling it "crap/drek/junk/doggerel", I don't have a problem if you take my comment that way. | | | Matthias |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,738 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting goodguy: Quote: Quoting skipnet50:
Quote: I also am deeply amused at the vociferous abilities of lurkers who don't Contribute but want to leech off the work of everyone else. Quoting Kevin:
Quote: Because I don't believe this "Common name" crap/drek/junk/doggerel will work, and will just cause problems, I will now be unable to receive any updated cast and crew from profiles. All because of a few people, and NOT vox populi.
And I am not amused at all by these statements. As you can easily see by checking my user profile, I haven't contributed any profiles to v3 for reasons I outlined elsewhere. I am however the author of the Name Variants plugin, which should be proof enough that I have some insight into the topic of "common names". The other one, who has even more insight, recently told you that the feature is widely used and understood by contributors and voters.
So I think you two simply have some catching up to do. Since it seems to be common practice, let me go off-topic for once, too, and grab this opportunity to thank you for this absolutely wonderful plugin! |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kevin: Quote: Quoting surfeur51:
Quote: I won't contribute anymore in those conditions. If I were to reply to this (but I'm not, because Tim ordered me not to post anymore) I would say I'm in the exact opposite problem of you.
Because I don't believe this "Common name" crap/drek/junk/doggerel will work, and will just cause problems, I will now be unable to receive any updated cast and crew from profiles. All because of a few people, and NOT vox populi.
But you didn't hear it from me, because I'm not allowed to post anymore. Gee, that sounds familiar. Could it be that maybe I was on to something? Imagine that. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 Make America Great Again! |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,029 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting goodguy:
Quote: Quoting skipnet50:
Quote: I also am deeply amused at the vociferous abilities of lurkers who don't Contribute but want to leech off the work of everyone else. Quoting Kevin:
Quote: Because I don't believe this "Common name" crap/drek/junk/doggerel will work, and will just cause problems, I will now be unable to receive any updated cast and crew from profiles. All because of a few people, and NOT vox populi.
And I am not amused at all by these statements. As you can easily see by checking my user profile, I haven't contributed any profiles to v3 for reasons I outlined elsewhere. I am however the author of the Name Variants plugin, which should be proof enough that I have some insight into the topic of "common names". The other one, who has even more insight, recently told you that the feature is widely used and understood by contributors and voters.
So I think you two simply have some catching up to do. Since it seems to be common practice, let me go off-topic for once, too, and grab this opportunity to thank you for this absolutely wonderful plugin! I apologize for participating in the derailment of this thread. I usually refrain from doing that, but every once in a while I get carried away. | | | Matthias |
| | Kevin | Registered March 22, 2001 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 609 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting goodguy: Quote:
I had to look up "vilify", sorry, not a native English speaker. I don't think it applies, but since you have no problem "vilifying" Ken's work by calling it "crap/drek/junk/doggerel", I don't have a problem if you take my comment that way. Perhaps you should look up what "personal opinion" means. Just because I think something is bad, doesn't mean it is on the whole. My opinion is that it is bad. There are many things that I personally think are stupid ideas. Creationism, hot girls not liking us fat guys, people who don't know what the word "theory" really means, commercials before movies. I might think those people who like them are stupid, moronic, idiots who I wish would drop dead, but perhaps others like them. Someone - and there might be someone here, but I doubt it - who has an open, scientific-type of mindset please contact me when the babies are done whining about supposed slights, and about "suggestions" to a program that is causing nothing but trouble. I'm going out to chase storms, and maybe some other fun things. And who knows, Tim and goodguy? Maybe I'll get killed by the bad weather, and you won't have to worry about hearing from me again. I'm sure you would like that. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kevin: Quote: ...and you won't have to worry about hearing from me again. I'm sure you would like that. They wouldn't be alone! | | | Hal |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kevin: Quote: ...you won't have to worry about hearing from me again. I'm sure you would like that. Wrong - I enjoy most of your postings! |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: Quoting Kevin:
Quote: Quoting T!M:
Quote: Rather than turning this, once again, into a discussion about "common names" in general, could we possibly go back to discussing the two examples at hand? Like lyonsden5 says: it doesn't matter what we pick, as long as we agree on something. So let's pick a "common name" for both, and move on. Oh, I can see it now.
A thread for each and every time we need to have a stupid common name.
This is getting old really fast.
At some point a few weeks ago someone complained that they were being "unjustly persecuted" (or words to the effect) because they didn't participate fully, due to their wanting different data. So now I feel I'm in the same boat - the common name nonsense is doing nothing but screwing up the database, and - like someone posted earlier about it - will get us back to ping-ponging of profiles. because people aren't going to agree at all about names. The ONLY way this will work is if KEN TELLS US what a person's common name is to be.
So I guess - since I don't want to corrupt my data - I am being punished and can't use the whole program to its fullest.
Interestingly enough, I have yet to see a "common name" get 'ping ponged' since this feature was released months ago.
This fear appears to be a red herring.
Great answer, hal. Instead of dealing with his concen put him down and insult him for it. There are a lot of users sitting on the isdelines with this function, there are a handful of users who are actively trying to stake their claim to the gold in Aaska and i could count them on both hands.
Skip ^Ignore | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Another good response, hal.
So let me understand this Kevin, because we disagree, it is perfectly OK for us to be insulted demeaned and generally libeled. And to magnify this further, we have a uaer who actually believes he has the power to tell you you cannot post your opinion. Does that sum it up, Kevin?
Sorry guys your ganging up and personbal attacks only further convince me that whatever postion you are espousing is dead wrong. I have made no attacks on anyone, nor do I intend to, but the general behavior being exhibiterd here by MOST involved is purely disgusting.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
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