Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:

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Trying to track common names that go against the auto-filter is meaningless...

The problem is : are we allowed to contribute against the rules when we get stupid/inconsistent/incorrect data?

I would love to say yes, but unfortunately  the community said quite always that we must prefer stupid data rather than interpret rules, using our brain. Why would we change that in the case of this thread ?  And if we change in this case, why not in others ?

Quoting Kathy:

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The problem is this issue is not addressed in the rules. Therefore it can not be against the rules.

Of course, it is . Rules ask to take names exactly from credits, and use CLT results to find common name.

Some people are not satisfied by this and ask the possibility to alter CLT results in accordance with program filter actions. This thread is just a request to change existing rules.

Quoting surfeur51:

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Quoting Kathy:

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The problem is this issue is not addressed in the rules. Therefore it can not be against the rules.

Of course, it is . Rules ask to take names exactly from credits, and use CLT results to find common name.

Some people are not satisfied by this and ask the possibility to alter CLT results in accordance with program filter actions. This thread is just a request to change existing rules.

You only included a small section of the rules. Birth Years, Common Names and CLT allow exceptions to be made to the "exactly as credited" rule.

Here is the rest of the rules which deal with Birth Years, Common Names and CLT:

"Take Crew Credits from the film credits only; list names exactly as they are in the credits. Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead.

Use the "Credited As" field where the person's name differs from the credited name.

List individual credits only, not company name credits. Exception: If a company name heads a group of crew, use the Group divider to enter the company name.

To determine whether to enter the name directly as credited, or to use the "Credited As" field, use the Credit Lookup tool.

It is not necessary to document the source of the common name, outside the use of the CLT. If there is a dispute over whether the credit references the same person, documentation may be necessary. However, in most cases it is not required.".

Edit: I believe Ken discussed this topic in the forums but I can't recall which thread. I'll see if I can find the relevant posts.

Quoting surfeur51:

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Rules ask to take names exactly from credits, and use CLT results to find common name.

Nowhere do the rules say we must use the "results" of the CLT, only that we are to use the CLT (in a fashion not spelled out in the rules) to aid in determining the common name.  That gives us some latitude in how to interpret the CLT's output.

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Quoting ateo357:

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Are you f-ing serious.

Your question violates forum etiquette, so I believe I'll decline to answer you.

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Quoting scotthm:

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Quoting surfeur51:

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Rules ask to take names exactly from credits, and use CLT results to find common name.

Nowhere do the rules say we must use the "results" of the CLT, only that we are to use the CLT (in a fashion not spelled out in the rules) to aid in determining the common name.  That gives us some latitude in how to interpret the CLT's output.

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Are you f-ing serious.

I believe he is

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To determine whether to enter the name directly as credited, or to use the "Credited As" field, use the Credit Lookup tool.

It is not necessary to document the source of the common name, outside the use of the CLT. If there is a dispute over whether the credit references the same person, documentation may be necessary. However, in most cases it is not required.

The inclusion of CLT results in contribution notes is strongly desired but not required. Note: In the case of uncertainty, leaving this out may cause the contribution to be declined.

Typically when counting CLT titles manually people apply the same exact community standards that we use in common name threads (and are not part of the rules).

Quoting Kathy:

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Quoting surfeur51:

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Quoting Kathy:

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The problem is this issue is not addressed in the rules. Therefore it can not be against the rules.

Of course, it is . Rules ask to take names exactly from credits, and use CLT results to find common name.

Some people are not satisfied by this and ask the possibility to alter CLT results in accordance with program filter actions. This thread is just a request to change existing rules.

You only included a small section of the rules. Birth Years, Common Names and CLT allow exceptions to be made to the "exactly as credited" rule.

Here is the rest of the rules which deal with Birth Years, Common Names and CLT:

"Take Crew Credits from the film credits only; list names exactly as they are in the credits. Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead.

Use the "Credited As" field where the person's name differs from the credited name.

List individual credits only, not company name credits. Exception: If a company name heads a group of crew, use the Group divider to enter the company name.

To determine whether to enter the name directly as credited, or to use the "Credited As" field, use the Credit Lookup tool.

It is not necessary to document the source of the common name, outside the use of the CLT. If there is a dispute over whether the credit references the same person, documentation may be necessary. However, in most cases it is not required.".

Edit: I believe Ken discussed this topic in the forums but I can't recall which thread. I'll see if I can find the relevant posts.

Well, I had already read all this, but did not find anything about program filters... We have to use CLT results, and with common names thread, we may correct CLT results if we can prove that those results are wrong because contributors entered "not as credited" data, or mix data for different actors with same name. But when CLT reflects exactly credits for one actor, nothing in rules allows us to alter CLT results.

@ Kathy

All what you quoted is about correcting CLT when it is based on incorrect (per rules) data. The object of this thread has nothing to do with that. It proposes to alter CLT results based on correct data, to match with a filter in the program. Nothing in what you quoted speaks of that filter. You just try to interpret things to obtain what you want. I'll probably not convince you, but I'll stop now this discussion since I explained clearly my point of view : nothing in rules allows to do what is proposed here.