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  | Erik | | It's a strange world. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 422 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Patsa: Quote:
Nobody. That's why I bought a Region A player.  Hope you're a fan of cut and chopped upmovies, then.  Sorry, that was supposed to be a regular sentence but the forum didn't approve... | | | Erik
"Has it ever occurred to you, man, that given the nature of all this new stuff, that, uh, instead of running around blaming me, that this whole thing might just be, not, you know, not just such a simple, but uh - you know?" -- The Dude, The Big Lebowski
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,911 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Erik: Quote:
Quoting Patsa:
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Nobody. That's why I bought a Region A player.
Hope you're a fan of cut and
chopped up
movies, then.
Sorry, that was supposed to be a regular sentence but the forum didn't approve... Your links proove nothing about run time of the movie, hell the last link is not even comparing blu-ray versions. | | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Erik: Quote:
Quoting Patsa:
Quote:
Nobody. That's why I bought a Region A player.
Hope you're a fan of cut and
chopped up
movies, then.
Sorry, that was supposed to be a regular sentence but the forum didn't approve... My past experiences with DVD tells me that there are in general far more cuts being made to European releases, especially in the UK. I've also noted that some European Blu-ray releases miss out on extras because they have decided to include more dubbed soundtracks instead. But of course this will ultimately be determined on a case by case basis, as always. Unfortunately you can't have everything with Blu-ray, unless you are prepared to buy a player for every region. Buying a Region A player has another advantage for me however, and that is upscaling of region 1 DVDs, thus eliminating the need of a third player (my HD DVD player will only upscale region 2 DVDs). | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have to admit, region coding (or lack of use) was the main reason I decided to go for HD-DVD.
If a region-free bluray player is ever released I may reconsider. |
| | Erik | | It's a strange world. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 422 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pplchamp: Quote:
Your links proove nothing about run time of the movie, hell the last link is not even comparing blu-ray versions. Uh, MiramAxe and Sony cutting up ['foreign'] films is fairly common knowledge, didn't know this had to be "verified."  In the instance of the last link there's only one Blu-ray disc out, and the page doesn't mention anything about its cuts. But since you insist (spoilers): - - - Casino Royale is well-known as having cuts in multiple countries, see bottom of the page: http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=10779Or: "Much has been made of cuts made to Casino Royale's infamous torture sequence in the UK in order to secure a 12 rating. All well and good, but few people seem to be aware that the US release is in fact cut as well. The MPAA took the scissors to it (by proxy, at any rate), with two key action scenes being cut quite substantially. The first is the black and white bathroom beating that runs before the opening credits, and the second is the stairwell fight at Casino Royale. In both cases, several shots have been removed entirely, shortened or substituted" http://whiggles.landofwhimsy.com/archives/2007/03/royale_cuts.htmlKung Fu Hustle: http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/articles/kung-fu-hustle-region-1-cuts.htmlHouse of Flying Daggers: (Info from http://www.dvdbeaver.com/) * There is no blood when Mei removes the dagger. This was done to get a PG-13 rating. * For Sony's region 1 DVD, in addition to the two cuts you mentioned, there are three more. They were all missing in the theatrical release as well. * During the fight in the field of wild flowers, Jin slits the throat of a government soldier. About a 10 second cut. * In the Chinese version, when Leo attacks Jin, Jin bats the sword away but right after we see that he still gets cut. In the US version, the shot of him getting cut is taken out. * This is just like #2, near the end of the fight between Jin and Leo, another shot of Jin being cut is removed. Your US visitors might be interested to know that for the two major missing scenes (the slit throat and when Jin finds Mei and whispers to her) there are videos clips at my website here, about halfway down the page. http://www.helloziyi.us/Movies/HoFD.htmso they can see what they are missing." - - - If you look at all this and go: "No big deal" then, well, you and I aren't going to get along when it comes to film, Sir. I prefer to watch the director's intended version, not the studio's. Anyway, back to the topic... | | | Erik
"Has it ever occurred to you, man, that given the nature of all this new stuff, that, uh, instead of running around blaming me, that this whole thing might just be, not, you know, not just such a simple, but uh - you know?" -- The Dude, The Big Lebowski
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 811 |
| | Posted: | | | | London - Sept 17, 2007:
"Studios leaving money on the table by failing to support both
HD DVD and Blu-ray next generation video formats"
Screen Digest predicts most studios will become format agnostic
http://www.screendigest.com/press/releases/FHAN-772NEN/pressRelease.pdf
London 17th September 2007: The latest research released today by media
analysts Screen Digest (www.screendigest.com), examines the evolution of the highdefinition
video market. The research includes detailed forecasts to 2011 for
consumer sales and revenues of both new video formats for W Europe and the US.
Screen Digest believes that whilst Blu-ray Disc (BD) is selling more units than rival
HD DVD at the moment, in the longer term both formats will establish a viable
installed base, allowing them to co-exist for the foreseeable future.
As a result, Screen Digest has calculated that those Hollywood studios that opt to
support a single format only could be missing out on significant revenues, potentially
eschewing over $270m of consumer spending in 2008 alone. Blu-ray-exclusive
studios Sony, Fox and Disney could miss out on $175m in consumer spending by not
publishing their films on HD DVD, although Blu-ray’s stronger sales mean that HD
DVD-only supporters are at risk of making the largest individual losses.
With so much at stake, Screen Digest expects several single-format studios to reassess their
positions during 2008.
The recent announcement that Paramount – hitherto a format agnostic studio – and
DreamWorks will support HD DVD exclusively might at first seem to undermine this
prediction. However Screen Digest believes that the decision by Paramount to ‘get off
the fence’ over hi-def actually makes it more likely that other studios will now move to
a format agnostic position. The decision has effectively secured HD DVD’s immediate
future, and cleared the way for the other studios that currently support one platform
only to move to an agnostic position without being the studio solely responsible for
prolonging a format war, or for killing off one of the formats.
Christmas 2007 will be critical Richard Cooper, Screen Digest Video Analyst, says “Christmas 2007 is going to be critical for the hi-def video business. Both formats will be seeking to secure consumer
buy-in to their proposition during the critical holiday season but with so much at stake
on both sides we think it is highly unlikely that one format will emerge as the ‘winner’.
Once it becomes clear that both formats are gaining customer acceptance, studios
that have chosen to support one format over the other will realize that they are
missing out on potential sales and will have to decide how long they can afford to
place principle over profit.
We believe that eventually most will decide to offer their titles on both HD DVD and BD in order to maximise their returns.”
Hardware holds the key
A crucial factor in how the high definition market will evolve is the level of hardware
support available to each format. Both formats benefit from a growing range of
standalone video disc players, at ever-lower prices. However, Blu-ray currently
enjoys a significant advantage over HD DVD because it can also be played on
Sony’s PlayStation 3 games console. To date, PS3 sales have exceeded total
standalone player sales (irrespective of format) by a ratio of six to one. Although
Screen Digest’s research shows that each PS3 household buys far fewer movie discs
than each standalone household, their sheer numbers provide serious buying power.
Screen Digest has developed a detailed forecasting model analysing the key factors
that will influence sales of HD DVD and Blu-ray hardware and software in the US and
Europe over the next few years. The charts above show the anticipated split of
software sales between the two formats from 2006 to 2011.
Whilst Blu-ray is currently outselling HD DVD on both sides of the Atlantic, Screen Digest expects the situation to even out as hi-def hardware becomes more affordable and more titles become
available on both formats.
Cooper concludes “Both formats will be adopted, but slower than some in the industry was expecting. There will be no outright winner in the short term.” |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,918 |
| | Posted: | | | | Pssst: This isn't the thread for the Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD debate. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 811 |
| | Posted: | | | | FYI, there's now a third HiDef format: CH-DVD  China only. check it out here: http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news/china-CH-DVD-format |
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