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I wish you people would give the IMDB v. DVDP a rest, they serve different purposes.

Well at least four of us agree 

Tibetan Terriers and mutated giant lizards do not count.

What about "dog stew"?

Quoting Unicus69:


"There is mention of it in one other spot that I could find.  On the 'Product' page it says: The best way to catalog your DVD addiction, DVD Profiler is built on a dynamic user-contributed database that's always up to date!

A database is more than just a UPC and title listing, it has to contain data.  The truth of the matter is that Profilers BIGGEST selling point is the online database.  People buy this software because they can enter a UPC and get all the information about that DVD.  Is the program usable without the db?  Sure it is, but I wouldn't spend $30 on it...would you?"

Thanks for your thoughts,

Actually I would buy this program for much more than $30 with or without the online database. After trying to set up an Access database  for DVD's and also playing with Filemaker Pro. Entering data in DVD Profiler is a far superior option. I can remember paying $79 for DOS 2.2  back in the 80's this is cheap software by comparison. "Every time someone complains they cannot afford the $30 someone else pops up and says it costs about the same as a new DVD think about that the next time you buy a new one." These same people always seem to have 200-300 DVD's in their collection.

You make a valid argument that it may be the BIGGEST selling point but that seems to come from the word of mouth in these forums more than from Invelos directly. therefore we are our own worst enemy. My favorite features are the reports and the custom layout. In my view the online database is an added bonus I would even pay more for.

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From the American Heritage science dictionary

da·ta·base      (da't?-bas', dat'?-)
n.  also data base
A collection of data arranged for ease and speed of search and retrieval. Also called data bank.

It does not say how much data constitutes a database. 

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I would love to see Invelos sue IMDB  and once for all let see who has the biggest dick!!

I bet you all are anti-DVD review sites also you act like Invelos is the only place for DVD information. This is really lame. So all sites that have DVD information is hated by Invelos?

I don't see what the big deal is anyway. I bet only like 5% even submit DVD"S to the database and by the way a lot of DVD's are missing credits and covers in the data base.

Then that's the fault of the people who haven't contributed data for the titles in their collection.  All of MY profiles have covers, and most are complete on the data side.

Yes we all check out other sites for info about DVDs about their availability, price contents, reviews, etc. Yes not all users read the forum, contribution rules or documentation. Yes most users do not contribute to the data base. You can’t expect that they would, people don’t obey laws either, that is why the jails are over crowded.

It’s really very simple if you contribute follow the rules. If contribute often enough you’ll make mistakes and hopefully some one will correct you. They have me, thank them, and check your contribution and fix it.

Hell, how many people are coming at you on the highway at sixty mile per hour, who drive their cars and don't check or know what their tire pressure is or should be.
What's more important?

The rules are there as an attempt to create a consistency in the data entered in the data base. So a user will know what to expect, not to appease each and everybody’s little whim.

I don't know how little or much you value your time, but even at the minimum wage the time it would take to seek out and evaluate an equivalent a similar program much less to write such a program would be more than $30.00.

In decades I've own and used personal computers, I've spent thousands on programs of all types, assemblers, compilers, music,(Calkwalk), animation, AI, ORC, voice recognition,  graphic, etc. Not to mention all the programs I have used in my work.

The only complaint I have about the $25.00 spent almost eight years ago, is that would not have spent the tens of thousands of dollars on DVDs if it wasn't so damn easy to keep track of them.

I wonder?! What happend to the freedom of information act in good old US of A? Got it smotherd by the Anti-terrosime act from your great leader? In Europe we've got a freedom of information act als well. Information put for free on the internet by a organisation or a compagny is to be used by anyone.
The information I optain for free from whatever site I optain it. Is not the information that Invelos optains. I give the specific information that I have found for free to invelos. Maybe it is as simple as that?

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In Europe we've got a freedom of information act als well. Information put for free on the internet by a organisation or a compagny is to be used by anyone.
The information I optain for free from whatever site I optain it. Is not the information that Invelos optains. I give the specific information that I have found for free to invelos. Maybe it is as simple as that?

ALL information from ANY private or governmental organization, if posted on the internet, is available to anyone?!? 

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ALL information from ANY private or governmental organization, if posted on the internet, is available to anyone?!? 

Although the Netherlands are a very free country I doubt that, because they have the same European Union laws as we do and the copyright lobbying works "fine" in Brussels.

I think my reply was n't clear.
In principle:    Yes any one that puts information on the internet without any restrcitions, such as passwords or regestering, to obtain it, gives it away fo free.

In case of IMDB there are legal terms to use the site. But if you read there legal terms and there license and site access terms you can not obtain any information when your intentions tu use this information is commercial. Because sharing the knowledge whit someone else on commercial bases in any way is ilegal according to there terms.
My dispute is: I obtain Knowledge that I give freely whitout the intention of geting any proffit to Database. Better!  I want to share what i Know for free!.
My believe is that at the moment I have Knowledge of scertain facts. I can give this information to any one who wants this information whitout commercial or criminal intnt. I think that there is a lot to chew on for lawyers to see if i'm right.

The moment someone puts anything on the WWW you have to accept that it will be read or used by. Why should you put something on the WWW if you don't wat to share it? Let's be clear about something. It is not the WHY someone wants to use the knowledge on the internet but the HOW. In case of Invelos there is a database they let us use to put in information. This information is my or as you wil your or our knowledge shared without commercial or criminal intent.
It is something differend when you use knowlegde from the internet for criminal acts such as Terrorist making bombs.
Ok this is my believe and maybe somewhat naieve. And of course as often happen to some one like me. I'm a bit of a Don Quichote.

P.s. Apologises to you all. My english is rusty.

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I would love to see Invelos sue IMDB  and once for all let see who has the biggest dick!!

I bet you all are anti-DVD review sites also you act like Invelos is the only place for DVD information. This is really lame. So all sites that have DVD information is hated by Invelos?

I don't see what the big deal is anyway. I bet only like 5% even submit DVD"S to the database and by the way a lot of DVD's are missing credits and covers in the data base.

Then that's the fault of the people who haven't contributed data for the titles in their collection.  All of MY profiles have covers, and most are complete on the data side.

Let's sue them all... stupid users!