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This is just my opinion but it's not about who had the most to do with getting the film made and certainly not about money. It's country of ORIGIN not country of prduction. A lot of the money would have come from bank loans and those banks would have reviewed their investment almost as much as a production company they have nothing to do with country of origin.
Origin is where a film starts. If a group of people are commisioned by a company to make a film then thats when the film originates and the country of the commisioning company is the country of origin, if a group of people or companies put together a film project then pitch that to a company to get the money then that company is not the country of origin it's the group who put the project together.

That's all nice and warm and fuzzy, but it doesn't deal with the legalities, and thus don't feed the bulldog.

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Quoting Rifter:

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But it didn't, did it?  I don't give a damn one way or the other.  Who actually does the work is irrelevant.  The guy that pays the freight can hire anybody he wants to, be it local, regional, or international.  He pays the bills, he calls the shots, HIS company gets the credit.  In this case, that is New Line, which is US.

COUNTRY of ORIGIN not COUNTRY of money.  Otherwise we are back to all Sony pictures being Japanese. Lets look at what origin means "the point where something begins or arises" usually the money comes a long way after that so nothing to do with the origin unless it happens to be one and the same.

Oh, come on, we're talking about the movie business, not a dictionary definition.

Might as well just do it Rifters way.

FROM NOW ON ALL MOVIES ARE USA CoO.

That will at least save on the ping pong.

Steve

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Might as well just do it Rifters way.

FROM NOW ON ALL MOVIES ARE USA CoO.

That will at least save on the ping pong.

Steve

I didn't say that, and I resent the implication that I did.  Do you people bother to even read any more?

How many times do I have to say I don't care what country is the origin for you to get it?

Quoting Rifter:

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But it didn't, did it?  I don't give a damn one way or the other.  Who actually does the work is irrelevant.  The guy that pays the freight can hire anybody he wants to, be it local, regional, or international.  He pays the bills, he calls the shots, HIS company gets the credit.  In this case, that is New Line, which is US.

So what you're saying is if a businessman paid a sculptor to make a sculpture for his offices, that businessman would be allowed to say that he sculpted it? He paid for it after all, the sculptor only made it!

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Quoting Rifter:

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But it didn't, did it?  I don't give a damn one way or the other.  Who actually does the work is irrelevant.  The guy that pays the freight can hire anybody he wants to, be it local, regional, or international.  He pays the bills, he calls the shots, HIS company gets the credit.  In this case, that is New Line, which is US.

So what you're saying is if a businessman paid a sculptor to make a sculpture for his offices, that businessman would be allowed to say that he sculpted it? He paid for it after all, the sculptor only made it!

No, he could say he CAUSED IT TO BE MADE, not that he made it himself.  Nobody is saying Peter Jackson shouldn't get credit as producer and director, or that Wing Nut didn't produce it; but New Line CAUSED IT TO BE MADE and that is the difference.  Now, you could say 'yeah, but anybody could've put up the dough' but then it wouldn't be the same movie, would it?  New Line took a HUGE chance on a relatively unknown director and put up an amount that would have put them out of business if those movies hadn't been the monster hits they were.  Nobody else would've taken that risk, so it would have been a different movie (one, not three in particular).  Even Jackson has acknowledged that fact.

No, he could say he CAUSED IT TO BE MADE, not that he made it himself.  Nobody is saying Peter Jackson shouldn't get credit as producer and director, or that Wing Nut didn't produce it; but New Line CAUSED IT TO BE MADE and that is the difference.  Now, you could say 'yeah, but anybody could've put up the dough' but then it wouldn't be the same movie, would it?  New Line took a HUGE chance on a relatively unknown director and put up an amount that would have put them out of business if those movies hadn't been the monster hits they were.  Nobody else would've taken that risk, so it would have been a different movie (one, not three in particular).  Even Jackson has acknowledged that fact.

Now - THIS is a point worth taking into consideration!

Well put Rifter!! 

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Although, at a danger of going off-topic, all this could be avoided if we were allowed multiple countries of origin.

And this might well do the job a lot easier - but if they were to add multiple options in CoO they would have to range them aplhabetically, or else we would have a hell of a time arguing which country should be on top...   

There's that too - look how we sometimes argue about the order of Genres.

I asked Ken for multiple Country of Origin fields in March, but he had some legal matters to take care of back then...

People keep referring to Gerri explaining what the field meant, but if it's not in the Contribution Rules, I hesitate to follow any forum postings from anybody, as there are many contributors who don't even visit the forums, so the Rules should be the sole guideline.