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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLewis_Prothero
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Sorry for Euro-centered thinking.
In Europe this tying a software license to hardware has been explicitly outlawed, so here it's legal to use your "old" OEM license on a new computer.

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EU -Court on July 3rd 2012 / File# C128/11
Basically this says that licenses that disallow the reselling are not allowed and that a (no matter how) purchased license can be used on any supported machine as long as you are not outnumbering the allowed parallel installations.
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I believe that in this case the problem lies between the keyboard and the seat 

Isn't this always the case as soon as it comes to usability problems?
The thing is: Why oh why did Microsoft have to change a usability-concept without having a convincing new one? Win8 is mainly designed to work on machines with a Touch-screen, only there can it show what it's really good for, on a classic Desktop-environment it's (at best) no improvement to Win7. The fact that Microsoft offers free crutches to make it work speaks for itself, doesn't it?

But really what's your problem?
All I said in the beginning is that many users are having starting problems with Win8. Which is true.
And that the OP should try for himself if he has any problems.

And now I end up having to tell an obvious Fanboy that the object of his desire isn't liked by everyone. A mission that is always doomed to fail.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStaNDarD
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Although I don't use the live tile apps you can use the mouse to close them on the start screen, if move the mouse to top left and slide down it displays a list of apps that are running. You can then right click and close. I'll admit the app should just have a close button, but the functionality is there.

There's an easier way for this too. While you have your app open move your cursor close to the top of the screen and cursor turns into "hand symbol". Keep you left mouse button pressed and drag the app at the bottom of the screen. Function is similar how you close teh apps with touch screen.

ALT-F4 will do the trick too.

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Microsoft is coming out with Windows 8.1 in a couple of months, rumour has it that it will bring back the start button (if not the menu, but you can always download Classic Shell for that) and fix and improve some other issues.

Well, here's the "startbutton" in action - instead of a startpage-preview I get a windows-logo in this 'hot corner'... Where's the improvement in this?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKulju
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EU -Court on July 3rd 2012 / File# C128/11
Basically this says that licenses that disallow the reselling are not allowed and that a (no matter how) purchased license can be used on any supported machine as long as you are not outnumbering the allowed parallel installations.

As far as I know Germany is the only European country which has moved this judgement in to their legislation.
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Isn't this always the case as soon as it comes to usability problems?

Not at all. Some systems just doesn't work. There's a difference if something doesn't work or if one just doesn't know how to use it.
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The fact that Microsoft offers free crutches to make it work speaks for itself, doesn't it?

What are these free crutches?
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But really what's your problem?

No problems at all. I just corrected your statements which were incorrect.
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And now I end up having to tell an obvious Fanboy that the object of his desire isn't liked by everyone. A mission that is always doomed to fail.

Not a fanboy at all. I know that some people have had difficulties at beginning when they started using Win 8, but after they have been instructed how to use it correctly, no problems what so ever. I personally hate the fact that MS changed Windows 2012 Server similar to Win 8. After various of virtualization layers using charms can a real PITA.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLithurge
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ALT-F4 will do the trick too.


Missed the point a bit, this was about not having to use keyboard/device manager to close them. 

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here's the "startbutton" in action
- instead of a startpage-preview I get a windows-logo in this 'hot corner'... Where's the improvement in this?


That is quite funny, I thought they meant they would have a permanent start button on screen at the very least and suspect many people thought they'd also include a traditional start menu behind it. 
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ALT-F4 will do the trick too.


Missed the point a bit, this was about not having to use keyboard/device manager to close them. 

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here's the "startbutton" in action
- instead of a startpage-preview I get a windows-logo in this 'hot corner'... Where's the improvement in this?


That is quite funny, I thought they meant they would have a permanent start button on screen at the very least and suspect many people thought they'd also include a traditional start menu behind it. 

That's only ment for the people who under any case won't touch the Windows key 
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I have no issues with DVDProfiler running on Win 8. And I don't have any problems using Win 8 either.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLithurge
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That's only ment for the people who under any case won't touch the Windows key 


Personally never use the windows key myself, probably through sheer force of habit more than anything else.

But that's irrelevant. When MS suggest they are listening to customers and reinstating the start key they should do it in a meaningful way, not the (I hope it's a) joke that's shown in the video. 
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLewis_Prothero
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EU -Court on July 3rd 2012 / File# C128/11
Basically this says that licenses that disallow the reselling are not allowed and that a (no matter how) purchased license can be used on any supported machine as long as you are not outnumbering the allowed parallel installations.

As far as I know Germany is the only European country which has moved this judgement in to their legislation.

And so what?
EU-court judges on EU laws which are binding for the whole EU (Otherwise the whole idea of a EU Supreme Court wouldn't make any sense).
Germany didn't have to move this judgment into national legislation. The law-suit originated here and was started by Microsoft to stop the re-use of OEM licenses. M$ lost the case in all German courts (and instances) and therefore decided to check if those judgments were compatible with European laws.
As it turned out they were.

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I know that some people have had difficulties at beginning when they started using Win 8, but after they have been instructed how to use it correctly, no problems what so ever.

You are aware that Windows is sold for private use too, are you?
I don't know many users that are willing to pay a private tutor to learn how to work with an OS, which IMHO shouldn't be noticeable at all for the end-user.

And why should I want to purchase a product of which I know that (without professional guidance) it will take me 2 - 4 weeks to be able to work with it as fluent as I did with its predecessor.
For professional use this is even worse: Smaller companies usually only have a very small budget for software-tutoring. Guess what company-owner John Doe will tell you when being confronted with the fact that his employees will either all be gone for 2-3 days to learn how to use the new OS, or that it will take them 2 - 4 weeks until they found out on their own.

For me Win8 is only to be compared to such disasters as ME and Vista (not because it would be programmed as badly as those 2, but because M$ once more forgot that their products are used by humans), and in so far you are right the problem is me.

The question is: What do I expect from an OS?
I do expect it to be a platform on which I can run my programs and that manages their access to the hardware resources. In addition it may provide me with some basic software (e.g. Mail-client, browser, etc).

What I don't want it to be is:
- A piece of software that sits in the foreground and prevents me from actually working with my PC.
- A piece of software that can't really manage the access to hardware resources, because it's using most of them for itself (Given: This is true for all Windows versions)
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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When MS suggest they are listening to customers and reinstating the start key they should do it in a meaningful way, not the (I hope it's a) joke that's shown in the video. 

I agree
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantmediadogg
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I almost never boot Windows 7 now, and wish I had saved the disk space and the extra effort of re-installing favorite apps.

Why don't you just delete Win 7 partition and then extend the volume so you'll have that space in use again?
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I am guessing that since Windows 8 has a core which is basically Windows RT

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My perception is that W8 boots faster and OS functions run faster.

I've noticed the performance increase too. Fast boot is an illusion though, since Win8 never actually "shut down". It goes kind of semi hibernate state. Only way to see how long Win8 actually boot is to restart the computer. Then OS boot from scratch.

- Yeah, someday I will reclaim that partition. Soon as I am absolutely sure there are no apps I forgot. I think you have to do something else though - just deleting the partition will break windows because that was the original partition it was installed on. Anyway, when I'm ready, I will research on Google and Youtube - I'm sure somebody has done it before.
- Windows RT is the portion of Windows 8 that is supported on Tablets. The software interface for developers is different and certain functions are limited when in "RT" mode. I am having a difficult time learning to write programs for it. In Desktop mode (such as a Windows on a touchscreen laptop) supports all the functions of RT and regular windows apps and programming (such as .NET). Notice that the Windows 8 screen looks almost exactly like the Slate tablet or other Windows RT tablets.

There are also two different app repositories. You cannot publish a Desktop app to the RT app store and vice-versa. Confusing. I predict that the RT app store will fail soon. Even some of the major RT apps, such as Acrobat reader and Netflix have issues. You have to install and use the Desktop versions for best operation on Windows 8 (but on Slate / RT, you have no choice, since desktop apps are not supported on RT).

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLewis_Prothero
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shutting down the system is only possible by key-combo (or request of new installations) ...

None of this is true.

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Win8 never actually "shut down". It goes kind of semi hibernate state.


Sorry, but this is exactly what I meant.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKulju
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The law-suit originated here and was started by Microsoft to stop the re-use of OEM licenses. M$ lost the case in all German courts (and instances) and therefore decided to check if those judgments were compatible with European laws.
As it turned out they were.

You mean in some other case than the UsedSoft GmbH v Oracle International Corp. which you referred earlier?
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I don't know many users that are willing to pay a private tutor to learn how to work with an OS, which IMHO shouldn't be noticeable at all for the end-user.

OK, I re-phrase "After they have learned". It really isn't that hard to learn to use new start menu.
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And why should I want to purchase a product of which I know that (without professional guidance) it will take me 2 - 4 weeks to be able to work with it as fluent as I did with its predecessor.

It took me about a hour to learn some new ropes. Why are making a such big deal about it?
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For professional use this is even worse: Smaller companies usually only have a very small budget for software-tutoring. Guess what company-owner John Doe will tell you when being confronted with the fact that his employees will either all be gone for 2-3 days to learn how to use the new OS, or that it will take them 2 - 4 weeks until they found out on their own.

You can't be serious  Did it take years for you to learn Win 7 after Win XP

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The question is: What do I expect from an OS?
I do expect it to be a platform on which I can run my programs and that manages their access to the hardware resources. In addition it may provide me with some basic software (e.g. Mail-client, browser, etc).


Windows 8 does that, and very easily I might add.

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What I don't want it to be is:
- A piece of software that sits in the foreground and prevents me from actually working with my PC.

How does Win 8 prevent you actually working with you PC? 
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- A piece of software that can't really manage the access to hardware resources, because it's using most of them for itself (Given: This is true for all Windows versions)

Windows 8 has much better performance than Windows 7. Still not getting your point.
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shutting down the system is only possible by key-combo (or request of new installations) ...

None of this is true.

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Win8 never actually "shut down". It goes kind of semi hibernate state.


Sorry, but this is exactly what I meant.

What do you exactly mean? User experiense is the same. Only the shutdown process has been changed.
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Win8 never actually "shut down". It goes kind of semi hibernate state.


Sorry, but this is exactly what I meant.

You can turn this feature off by typing powercfg -h off in a shell with administrator privileges. powercfg -h on will turn it on again.
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I've been using Windows 8 on my private PC since January. I took advantage of the limited-time  €29 upgrade offer.

As a software developer I just need to know what's out there and what's coming next.

I can use Windows 8 and don't have that many problems with it.

But for me, the start screen is totally pointless. The only App I've ever installed is Skype and I threw that off my computer realizing that the Skype App is not able to share your screen with another Skyper. So I installed Skype for Desktop again.

I switch from Start Screen to Desktop instantly after boot and never see the Start Screen agin.

My most used programs are all pinned to the taskbar anyway. For Micorsoft's standard programs I've known the name of the .exe by heart for more than a decade (luckily they rarely if ever change).

I just press WIN+R and type:
calc
notepad
mspaint
cmd
winword
excel
powerpnt
msaccess
charmap

If I want to start any other program I press WIN+Q and search there for it.

It's incredibly more faster than scrolling to an endless row of panels.

But to be fair, I already did most of this in Win 7, there you press WIN instead of WIN+Q and start typing.


Then again, I've been growing up with a DOS shell. In the end only true mouse pushers can answer if this screen is any good.


Whart I really, really hate is this (and sadly, this was already changed in Win 7): The search. Win XP had a simple search and a customizable advanced search where I could search for files that where changed between Christmas and New Year. But no, Microsoft had to copy Apple's Finder without keeping the old system for advanced users. 
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But to be fair, I already did most of this in Win 7, there you press WIN instead of WIN+Q and start typing.

This still works in Win 8 - press WIN and start typing...
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