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... as long as what you download locally is 100% selectable?

I can agree with that. But I would prefer contributors spend their time to enter correctly names of main actors rather than filling listings of unknown people.

We do understand your point, and as far as the rules are concerned, we are entering them correctly.  Until the rules change, people cannot justify working on this to YOUR standards.

Also, as far as correcting main actors in the DB, which of the "main actors" in my local DB, would you like me to work on?

You may not like the idea of expanding and or separating the crew we list, but you are but one voice.  Apparently, there are others that would like to see an expansion (to some degree or another), and I opened this discussion to find where we would like to go.

So with that in mind, Can I put you down as a person who doesn't want a crew expansion?

Charlie

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Until the rules change, people cannot justify working on this to YOUR standards.

I agree. That is why I proposed a change to the rules. The past showed that Ken changed the rules only when a large majority of users wanted it. And the reason for users to refuse my proposal was that it would take too much time to verify correct spelling of names. That is why I wrote "But I would prefer contributors spend their time to enter correctly names of main actors rather than filling listings of unknown people"

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Can I put you down as a person who doesn't want a crew expansion?

In fact, with present sytem (no way to correctly unlink people with same name, and no selection on what you download), I'm in favor to remove art and sound sections from contribution and keep them local only.

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One of the major problems with open crew credits is called foreign films. If the credits are in a language I do not personally understand, open credits become meaningless to me. And what about credits in languages using different character sets?

I would expect the credits to be translated into the language of the locality of the release in question.  This is exactly what we do for cast rolenames today.

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One of the major problems with open crew credits is called foreign films. If the credits are in a language I do not personally understand, open credits become meaningless to me. And what about credits in languages using different character sets?

I would expect the credits to be translated into the language of the locality of the release in question.  This is exactly what we do for cast rolenames today.

While that may be common in the US, I can assure you that this does NOT apply to many other localities. If I buy a European release of an Asian film, in the vast majority of cases the credits will be the original Asian ones. And that applies to both cast and crew.
EDIT: and of course, the rules do not allow us to contribute home-made translations - regardless the Locality, submitted credits should be as credited.

Quite right, Hal! And I hope it'll help you understand where I'm coming from when I object to open crew credits...

It all depends on what "the basics" means. If all it preserves is the crew category, it wouldn't be of much use to me (imagine being unable to distinguish a special effects credit from a production designer credit or a costume designer credit - they're all in the Art category).

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Keep the basics of what we have, but allow us to record the actual credit using the custom role field, and make that field contributable.

If I understood this correctly, it would still mean that we enter the director as the Director, but at the same time we preserve the original credit, which could be in any language. For a Swedish film it could be:

Director [Regi]: Ingmar Bergman

That's why it would get a yes from my side. With moving non-English credits into the built in categories mistakes can happen easily. With this they could be found easier +

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It all depends on what "the basics" means. If all it preserves is the crew category, it wouldn't be of much use to me (imagine being unable to distinguish a special effects credit from a production designer credit or a costume designer credit - they're all in the Art category).

even if just the main category stays you'de get the original credit. Visual Effects [Production design by]: John Doe

But of course with the existing roles it would also work:
Visual Effects  - Production Designer [Production design by]: John Doe

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even if just the main category stays you'de get the original credit. Visual Effects [Production design by]: John Doe

If the original credit is in a language I don't understand I would only get Art [xxxxx, meaning something which sounds like Klingon to me]. And that doesn't tell me anything.

Your example is flawed anyway, because the Crew category is Art, not Visual Effects.