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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | North: I wish it were that easy. But it is not, I can say this from experience, the CLT is thrown off by people who are inserting bad data for whatever reason. For example the proper credit in Air America is Robert Downey, Jr. yet there WAS a number of entries from various regions and countries which listed Robert Downey Jr. (wonder where that came from  ), thereby throwing off the CLT accordingly and the difference was substantial, I think I have corrected this particular title, but it showed the depth of the problem when I looked at it. We are dependent on each and every one of us working as a team and entering the data as it appears on screen. Unfortunately, we have users flying around and doing whatever they want, and arguing over interpretations. We are not an encyclopedia, we are a simple , extensive database, oh never mind,  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Based on my own data, I have Lon E. 35 vs. Lon 18, personally speaking I'll trust my own results. Glad to see that your results match my findings. I actually expect most of you to have more "Lon E. Bender" credits in your databases than "Lon Bender" ones. Now if that is indeed the case, and he's credited more often with his middle initial than without it, why should we sustain a different "common name"? Just because there are so many different copies of 'Shrek', 'Blood Diamond' and 'Braveheart' in the database? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Based on my own collection:
22 titles
12: Lon Bender
10: Lon E. Bender
Since the CLT reflects the results in my own collection, without difinitive evidence to the contrary other than supposition ("probably", "I feel", "it seems"), I'll have to stick with the CLT results for now. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection | | | | Last edited: by Bad Father |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | I suggest you just go out and buy a few more Lon E. Bender movies...  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
I suggest you just go out and buy a few more Lon E. Bender movies...  | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 1,242 |
| | Posted: | | | | The results of the CLT can end up skewed quite easily by
User 1 submitting a profile in say USA result profile accepted.
User 2 submits a profile for R1 Canada (copied R1 USA accepted profile) its accepted.
User 3 submits a profile for R2 UK (copied R1 USA & Canada accepted profiles) its accepted.
User...
before you know it you have 90 profiles saying its Micky Mouse whereas the Film credits actually say M. Mouse so CLT should be verified before being blindly followed in my oppion.
But then 8ball has two diferent results from his 21 films, but then the resul could swing the other way with his next 21 films, until all his current films are viewed and varified, that is.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting snarbo: Quote:
But then 8ball has two diferent results from his 21 films, but then the resul could swing the other way with his next 21 films, until all his current films are viewed and varified, that is.
Steve All my current films, 21 titles, have been verified by myself. The results of which put Lon Bender in the lead in my collection. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | We have the basic issue that Ken needs to resolve for us, though: is it the number of TITLES or the number of PROFILES that wins using the CLT? Because one title that shows up in 90 different DVD profiles can completely skew things---but it's a hell of a lot of work, as T!M has done, to demonstrate that. | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Here are the remaining titles that Tim was unable to check:
homeward bound: the incredible journey
first power
deadly pursuit (shoot to kill)
wilder napalm
The Scarlet Letter
TMNT 3
these 3 I don't think should be credited at all, but need checking:
The Bucket List - adr?
The Ninth Configuration - asst?
Cliffhanger - Additional?
If all five of the above turn out to be Lon Bender that's still not enough to sway the results back to Lon Bender, so Lon E. Bender is still the most common name - that's if we're counting titles... |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
And that's exactly what I've tried to do here - proving that these results are wrong. I scrutized the CLT results and came to the conclusion that he's credited with the middle initial in 37 movies in our database, and in 24 without it. What more could you possibly want? Why the desperate need to cling on to obviously incorrect IMDb-data? I am not clinging to anything. Your claim that it is 'obviously incorrect IMDb-data' is just that...a claim. You haven't provided any proof to back up that claim. Quote:
It is, obviously. And to accomplish that, we cannot ignore the shortcomings of our "credit lookup tool", or else we're going to keep ping-ponging between name variants as more and more IMDb-data gets "cleaned up". As I explained; a closer look at the CLT results shows you that he's credited with his middle initial in about 37 movies in our database, and in 24 without it. IMHO, that's all there is to it. I am sorry, but this strikes me as 'cherry picking' specific numbers in order to get a desired result. You want us to ignore the number that shows the other variant is the 'most commonly credited' version. I am not going to do that. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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We will teach it to them again.
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I am not going to do that. And I call that "a desperate need to cling on to obviously incorrect IMDb-data". |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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I am not going to do that.
And I call that "a desperate need to cling on to obviously incorrect IMDb-data". I guess I could call that a 'desperate need to have the data entered per your personal preference'. But I won't as I don't know you well enough to speculate as to your motives.  Again, you have done nothing but make assumptions about the data. When called on it, rather than countering the argument, you try and discredit me by claiming I want to cling to IMDb data. Sorry, but that isn't going to fly. You are making the claim that the data is wrong. The onus is on you to prove that claim. Until you do, I will go with the CLT...which is what we were told to do. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 275 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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I am not going to do that.
And I call that "a desperate need to cling on to obviously incorrect IMDb-data". If IMDB data is so BAD and always INCORRECT....... Why is that almost all the Profiles Links that people have submitted always lead to IMDB. If it is that bad of a source for information why are so many of the NEW profile links leading to it. (now I'm going back into hiding for a Week)  Larry |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I am not clinging to anything. Your claim that it is 'obviously incorrect IMDb-data' is just that...a claim. You haven't provided any proof to back up that claim. But Tim has provided exactly that. He has listed 37 unique titles where he is listed as Lon E. Bender and 24 where he is listed as Lon Bender. There are only 9 titles left in the database that need to be checked. Even if they are all credited with Lon Bender, that's not enough to sway the result. At the moment the most commonly credited name is Lon E. Bender. | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
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I am not clinging to anything. Your claim that it is 'obviously incorrect IMDb-data' is just that...a claim. You haven't provided any proof to back up that claim.
But Tim has provided exactly that. He has listed 37 unique titles where he is listed as Lon E. Bender and 24 where he is listed as Lon Bender. There are only 9 titles left in the database that need to be checked.
Even if they are all credited with Lon Bender, that's not enough to sway the result.
At the moment the most commonly credited name is Lon E. Bender. Only if you buy into his argument that we are looking at unique titles only. I don't buy into that. Why do we have the number of profiles if we are to ignore them? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Why do we have number of titles if we're supposed to count profiles?
Why should a credit count more, simply because it's from a more popular film?
We simply haven't been told how we're supposed to use the results of the CLT. We have to ignore either title numbers or profile numbers as I can't see any way we can use both to define common name.
And Ken defined the common name as that being most commonly credited. That to me sounds like we're supposed to count individual credits, not the number of times the same credit is repeated. |
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