Quoting skipnet50:

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f you detect cyicism and contempt....bingo...you get the cigar.

Skip        

Guess what Skip.

Nobody cares what you think! 

Quoting richierich:

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And for the record I agree with Pete, the tool has been provided by Ken to use and the rules state how to use it.
The only thing you can do Tim IMO is to perhaps make a recommendation for a rules change and see how people feel about it

RR

That is the whole thing right there... the rules do tell us when we can use the "Credit As" function. If you want a change from that... all you can do is petition for a rules change... then wait for Ken's decision on the matter.

but it does say "Use the "Credited As" field where the actor's name differs from the credited name". if there is no variant it should not be used.

if he is not credited 2 different ways he is not in the look up tool 2 different ways then you are only going by your opinion... and we don't go by opinion... we go by the rules which says...

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For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.  Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead.

So if there is no difference in the look-up tool for said actor you use exactly as credited as the rules tells us to.

Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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you are only going by your opinion...

I'm not going by my opinion - I'm going by the forum consensus that we ALWAYS precede Jr./Sr. suffixes by a comma. Lee Simon, Jr. deserves his comma just as much as Robert Downey, Jr., Ed Begley, Jr. etc. Again: we desperately need some form of consistency. If it's just a free-for-all, things will become a mess. One user will have 3 "Robert Downey Jr." credits in his database, and just 1 "Robert Downey, Jr." credit, while this may well be the opposite for another user. If we're going down this road, different users may start submitting different "common names". I really don't see why this is necessary. This was one of the few things we all agreed on, and it worked perfectly (proven by the fact that my my original "Lee Martin, Jr. [Lee Martin Jr.]" update was approved with a truckload of 'yes'-votes).

Again: we have a few standards that we all agreed on, like the parsing of initials I mentioned earlier, the fact that we DO use a comma preceding Jr./Sr. suffixes, the fact that we DON'T use a comma preceding numerals (i.e. it's "Joseph C. Nemec III", not "Joseph C. Nemec, III") etc. Of course we can throw all these conventions out the window and just use the most credited form, but I for one really like a bit of consistency. And judging from these poll results, I'm certainly not the only one.

@ Martin: It's true, sometimes I'm a stickler for the rules, and sometimes I prefer common sense. This is just something that I find hard to let go. When I started using DVD Profiler, I entered these suffixes without the comma - probably because that was how IMDb did them. After being "educated" - by Skip himself, among others - I relented, and reformatted all my suffixed cast and crew names to include the comma. Now that the majority of the database is finally set up that way, I see this update from Skip changing it back... IMHO, that's just too much - I give up!

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Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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you are only going by your opinion...

I'm not going by my opinion - I'm going by the forum consensus that we ALWAYS precede Jr./Sr. suffixes by a comma. Lee Simon, Jr. deserves his comma just as much as Robert Downey, Jr., Ed Begley, Jr. etc. Again: we desperately need some form of consistency. If it's just a free-for-all, things will become a mess. One user will have 3 "Robert Downey Jr." credits in his database, and just 1 "Robert Downey, Jr." credit, while this may well be the opposite for another user. If we're going down this road, different users may start submitting different "common names". I really don't see why this is necessary. This was one of the few things we all agreed on, and it worked perfectly (proven by the fact that my my original "Lee Martin, Jr. [Lee Martin Jr.]" update was approved with a truckload of 'yes'-votes).

Again: we have a few standards that we all agreed on, like the parsing of initials I mentioned earlier, the fact that we DO use a comma preceding Jr./Sr. suffixes, the fact that we DON'T use a comma preceding numerals (i.e. it's "Joseph C. Nemec III", not "Joseph C. Nemec, III") etc. Of course we can throw all these conventions out the window and just use the most credited form, but I for one really like a bit of consistency. And judging from these poll results, I'm certainly not the only one.

That is not our choice as long as the rules tells us not to do it.

That is why I said earlier...

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Quoting richierich:

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And for the record I agree with Pete, the tool has been provided by Ken to use and the rules state how to use it.
The only thing you can do Tim IMO is to perhaps make a recommendation for a rules change and see how people feel about it

RR

That is the whole thing right there... the rules do tell us when we can use the "Credit As" function. If you want a change from that... all you can do is petition for a rules change... then wait for Ken's decision on the matter.

As long as we have that rule... all we can do is work within the rules... or petition to have the rule changed and present to Ken... and then await his decision.

Now that i have calmed down, Tim, I shall aatempt to expalin this to you. When that poll was taken re: Jr. I voted based on Common Name and i am sure others did as well, that poll made no mention of STANDARDIZATION. There was, in fact a poll relative to standardization recent ly which was soundly defeated. That poll was not as YOU chose to interpret it. There is NO need to for a Common Name when there are NO variants.

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Quoting skipnet50:

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Guess what Hal, i don't care what YOU think or even IF you think or are capable of thought.

Skip

Must have taken you hours to come up with that profound response!