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Quoting Dvdjon:

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Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

I certainly wasn't intending to. In fact I wasn't thinking of anyone in particular. I just said what I see - the debate's moving to extremes. I think you applied a Skip reference there that didn't exist because of recent associates between us. You asked a question (I'm still not sure if it was rhetorically), no-one answered it, so I did. I don't think I even implied any individuals, did I?

I honestly didn't intend it that way.

Stuart

Edit: Or wasn't that aimed at me and I was just confused by it coming straight after mine?

Nope not you it was the chain of Trolling right before your post.

Quoting skipnet50:

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...But the other difference is Iknow about database design and implementation and most here don't...

What do you know about the knowledge of other users about databases? I work everyday with scientific databases, and people who would enter wrong datas knowing they are wrong would be fired. Exceptions to rules are not allowed, they are requested if necessary, but must be documented. No rule system can work without exceptions...

I agree for the most part, Mark. But, I disagree with your idea of flexible definitons, this only leads to confusion on behalf of the users, makes thae data entry unnecessarily complex and confusing. If this then that, does not work. The field is defined by the Rules, Mark, remember I was not in favor of this change, it is not defined by what you or I think it ought to be and therein lies the problem. I will suck it upi and deal with what ken says to do, while you look for some way to get it the way YOU want instead of as Ken defined it. Once you starrt opening the door to exceptions that would otherwise be in violation of the Rules, then you might just as well throw out the whole database, that is why I say Star Wars is not a "real" exception as defined by the Rules, but a Cover or Box without a title is an exception. And with 500,000 + users we have to have relatively rigid Rules, we have seen what happens when we don't, T2 changes on a weekly basis.

I think you are being overly touchy on this, Mark. You see the BIGGEST single difference is I am willing to accept and work within the Rules. I was opposed to the change, but you and others got your wish so that you could exclude possessives, and now instead of saying OK, you have now turned your attention to something entirely different all for the purpose of getting the Online to look like what you want it to. I care about what the Rules tell me to do, what I like or dislike is irrelevant, what the Online looks like to me is irrelevat, the exclusion Episode from Star Wars affects NOTHING in any way. What I really care about it that MY database looks like I want it to...THAT I CAN and DO control. I frankly do not understand the obsessional desire to manipulate the Online to someone's preferences or THEIR pre-conceived ideas, including that THEY have to be right, see the Possessive argument to the point that will generate all kinds of blind and false arguments. But that is past, we have a new Rule now and it is what it is.

@surfeur there is a BIG difference between working with databases and designing them. And you just said it yourself, Exceptions to rules are NOT allowed, yet you seem to want exceptions as you deem fit, and have them done your way. You can request Rules changes, it does not mean it will be granted, even by majority vote, if the majority vote goes against the direction the developer wants to go then I can only say...TOO bad. I also suspect that your designer is in complete control of his data and not dependent on a third party source for it.

Skip

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... And you just said it yourself, Exceptions to rules are NOT allowed ...

I said the contrary... Please read the whole sentence...

I'll give an example. You have to monitor physical datas, for example temperature. Rules say "take the temperature from that precise sensor". But when you see that datas are out of range, you don't take those incorrect values, you first verify the sensor...

Idem for a wrong role in cast list. You prefer wrong data rather than accept exception to the rule.

I agree... I prefer a strict set of rules in which I just take the data I see and work from there. Is it perfect in every situation... no... and I would never pretend that it is. But as Skip said... that is what local database is for... there is many areas where I have 1 data submitted to the rules... as per the rules.  Then in my local I have what I prefer in that field.

HEHE i was about to make an example of the ten comandments to make a point that we need rules that are clear and strict. But i reconsidered as my slight rewrite could actually offend someone that was a strong believer. So I deleted it.

To the point Lancelot!!!

Rules are better when they can not be interpreted to anything one wants. Because we then must do everything the same way (thats all of us).  And in the cases that the rules makes something wrong we can still follow the rules and change the thing in question at our db locally. Hovewer I still think that a vote option before one contribute a change in some cases where one needs help or opinion from others should be implemented(lets get rid of the constant t2 mi2 and 3 miib discussions once and for all lets just agree to something and keep it like that and change locally if we do not agree).


Point stated King Arthur!!!

Hpoe I mkae Sesne! (can you read it)?

I have only one question but I know it will just stir up more ill will. I must ask it because we need some real resolution.

Many of you keep forgetting that Ken as Invelos owns the online database he simply allows you to use it as a part of the program. It is intended only to be a starting point not actually reflect your local database. He has given you the ability to look your data locally and set it up anyway you see fit. So my question is this. Why is it that it is so important that the online database reflect your way of thinking either as an individual or as a group?

The only conclusion I can draw here is that we (myself included) are all selfish and or too lazy to use the local and locking features Ken has provided for us. Complaining about things as they are only tends to show other forum users our egos are way to big. This is not a contest or race to see who can post or contribute the most.

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I have only one question but I know it will just stir up more ill will. I must ask it because we need some real resolution.

Many of you keep forgetting that Ken as Invelos owns the online database he simply allows you to use it as a part of the program. It is intended only to be a starting point not actually reflect your local database. He has given you the ability to look your data locally and set it up anyway you see fit. So my question is this. Why is it that it is so important that the online database reflect your way of thinking either as an individual or as a group?

The only conclusion I can draw here is that we (myself included) are all selfish and or too lazy to use the local and locking features Ken has provided for us. Complaining about things as they are only tends to show other forum users our egos are way to big. This is not a contest or race to see who can post or contribute the most.

A very good an valid point! I totally agree and you get no ill will from me