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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | With the latest change of the title:
X-Men: The Last Stand (UPC 024543395799) on Mar 21, 2008 Mar 25, 2008
to
X III: The Last Stand
will make this title not to appear any more when adding by title and going for X-Men.
Is there a possibilty to show also the original titles from the online database while using the add by title feature?
Thanks in advance | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'd rather see them change the Rule back to "Take the title from the film's credits", the way it used to be!
This is simply an unintended consequence of a change to the Rules that was not thoroughly thought through before it was imnplemented.
The "best solution" would be the addition of a new title field; one for "DVD Title" and one for "Film Title". Then allow the user to search titles using either/and/or when adding to their collection. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Rule change could be an answer. But then a lot of other problems will araise with graphics in the titles. renaming the fields is not the solution i think. "DVD Title" = now the title field Quote:
Title
Use the title from the front cover. "Film Title" = original film title Quote:
The Original Title field serves two general purposes, but in both cases allows for the tracking of the original feature title. Use the title from the copyright notice if available, otherwise from the film's credits. In cases where the title is the original title, leave the Original Title field blank.
Foreign Films: The Original Title field will contain the original title for the main feature in the country of origin. i.e. A German DVD release for a film originally produced in the United States would have the German title in the Title field and the English title in the Original Title Field.
Modified Titles: The Original Title field will contain the original theatrical title, while the Title field will contain the title of the DVD release. For instance, for the Special Edition rerelease of There's Something About Mary:
Title: There's Something More About Mary
Original Title: There's Something About Mary I rather see it more in fine tuning of the rules I also think in this case the change of title should not being granted: X-men is a series or episodes and not an individual movie where the first title X-Men: The Last Stand would have been correct while X III: The Last Stand would not have been correct. problem here: this is only handled by TV Series on DVD (Use of "Main part of title" ":" "Episode Title") If somebody could put this in better wording and get Gerri involved we could try and challenge the recent title change. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
"Film Title" = original film title
Not necessarily. For "foreign" films, this may or may not be the case, i.e., 'The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly". Original title = 'Il Buono, il brutto, il cattivo'. This is not the "Film Title". The original title must be retained with it's current use in addition to the "Film Title" and the "DVD Title". | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,695 |
| | Posted: | | | | But what if the film has it's original opening titles. If the title on the film had actually been 'Il Buono, il brutto, il cattivo', while the title on the DVD cover was 'The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly' ? Whould you have wanted the Italian title shown as title in Profiler? | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | GSyren quoting: Quote:
But what if the film has it's original opening titles. If the title on the film had actually been 'Il Buono, il brutto, il cattivo', while the title on the DVD cover was 'The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly' ? Whould you have wanted the Italian title shown as title in Profiler? Yes, my DVD Profiler is set to display: Title (Original Title). Looking for "Buono, il brutto, il cattivo, Il" would show me that there are English Versions of it, not? hal9g quoting: Quote:
The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly". Original title = 'Il Buono, il brutto, il cattivo'. This is not the "Film Title" It is an Italian produced movie so the Film Title (Original Title) is "Il Buono, il brutto, il cattivo" and the DVD Title (Title) should be: "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" what is the case with: UPC 027616672926 | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
But what if the film has it's original opening titles. If the title on the film had actually been 'Il Buono, il brutto, il cattivo', while the title on the DVD cover was 'The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly' ? Whould you have wanted the Italian title shown as title in Profiler? There is already a provision in the Rules for "foreign" films which says to use language of the locality for the title. Quoting Rules: Quote:
Foreign Films: The Original Title field will contain the original title for the main feature in the country of origin. i.e. A German DVD release for a film originally produced in the United States would have the German title in the Title field and the English title in the Original Title Field. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,695 |
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There is already a provision in the Rules for "foreign" films which says to use language of the locality for the title. No, it says "If the title appears in multiple languages, use the title that matches the language of the locality" (my italics) If the film's onscreen title is in Italian only - where do you get the title to use? From the DVD cover? The basis for the handling of foreign film titles is that the title as used in Profiler should come from the DVD cover. If you change that premise, then you can't assume that the rest of the rules regarding foreign titles apply as is. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar | | | | Last edited: by GSyren |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | as you could already read in my posting with quote from the rules: Quote:
Foreign Films: The Original Title field will contain the original title for the main feature in the country of origin | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
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There is already a provision in the Rules for "foreign" films which says to use language of the locality for the title.
No, it says "If the title appears in multiple languages, use the title that matches the language of the locality" (my italics)
If the film's onscreen title is in Italian only - where do you get the title to use? From the DVD cover?
The basis for the handling of foreign film titles is that the title as used in Profiler should come from the DVD cover. If you change that premise, then you can't assume that the rest of the rules regarding foreign titles apply as is. You asked if I would want 'Il Buono, il brutto, il cavitto' as the DVDP title if that is what was in the "Film's Credits". The "Foreign Film" Rule covers this. If the cover also has that on it, then yes, but for Region 1, I would presume that the DVD cover would say 'The Good, The Bad and The Ugly", and according to the current Rules, that's what you would use, "The Good the Bad and The Ugly" in the Title field Granted, I mixed in the Rules for multiple languages on the cover, which confused things. My point was that use of foreign language titles in the film credits is already covered as long as the DVD cover has the title in the local language (see the quoted rule above). | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,695 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, what confused me was that you said that didn't want to take the title from the DVD cover, but from the onscreen credit. So, if I understand you correctly you want to take it from the onscreen credit if that credit is in English (or rather if it is in the locality of the release), and from the DVD cover if it is not. Doesn't that just confuse things? Or does it just confuse me...  | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
Well, what confused me was that you said that didn't want to take the title from the DVD cover, but from the onscreen credit.
So, if I understand you correctly you want to take it from the onscreen credit if that credit is in English (or rather if it is in the locality of the release), and from the DVD cover if it is not.
Doesn't that just confuse things? Or does it just confuse me... Prior to the recent change to only use the DVD cover, that's what the Rules said to do, and everyone seemed to be able to figure it out. It doesn't seem all that confusing to me. 'X III: The Last Stand' - now that's confusing!  | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,695 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ok, maybe it isn't too confusing. What about if the onscreen credit is "A Handful of Dynamite" and the DVD cover title is "Duck, You Sucker" (or vice versa). Would you still want to list it under the onscreen title? Quote:
'X III: The Last Stand' - now that's confusing! You get no argument there...  | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
Ok, maybe it isn't too confusing. What about if the onscreen credit is "A Handful of Dynamite" and the DVD cover title is "Duck, You Sucker" (or vice versa). Would you still want to list it under the onscreen title? Yes, since this was the title of the film, before some marketing id**** came to change it... Regards, AA | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
With the latest change of the title:
X-Men: The Last Stand (UPC 024543395799) on Mar 21, 2008 Mar 25, 2008
to
X III: The Last Stand
will make this title not to appear any more when adding by title and going for X-Men.
Is there a possibilty to show also the original titles from the online database while using the add by title feature?
Thanks in advance From my point of view the Cover title is totally useless. Especially if it contains Graphics. If - and hope this is not a when - these title changes to XIII or Se7ven are accomplished, there is no way to find the films by titles. Remember that non English speaking DVD fans can't fall back to original titles... the profiles are LOST! Regards, AA | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
Ok, maybe it isn't too confusing. What about if the onscreen credit is "A Handful of Dynamite" and the DVD cover title is "Duck, You Sucker" (or vice versa). Would you still want to list it under the onscreen title?
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'X III: The Last Stand' - now that's confusing! You get no argument there... As things are today, yes. I would hope something like this is pretty rare. A separate "DVD Cover Title" field and "Film Credit Title" field would solve that though. | | | | Hal |
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