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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 844 |
| | Posted: | | | | Am I correct in assuming that if the title on the front cover and the slip cover differ, then the front cover wins? | | | | Last edited: by bob9000 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Arrrrrrggggggh!!!!!!!!!  To what are you referring to, Bob. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 844 |
| | Posted: | | | | Terminator 2: Judgement Day - Extreme DVD - Canada Locality
Slip Cover says simply: T2
Front Cover inside the slip says: Terminator 2: Judgement Day |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | R1 version is the same:  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | O.K., everyone is trying to follow the rules to the letter, and that's great. But please, use some common sense! Using the cute shortened title taglines that the marketing department comes up with, then slaps on the front cover (or slipcover), does not make that the title of the frickin' movie! Just use the movie's real title please. Remember, covers lie!
I've already voted no on MIIB and T2 and fear another massive change fiasco. New rule, abbrevations of titles don't count, unless they're in the credit box and the opening credits of the film! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bigdaddyhorse: Quote:
O.K., everyone is trying to follow the rules to the letter, and that's great. But please, use some common sense!! common sense left the building some time ago. Thankfully thats what Locks are for. | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bob9000: Quote:
Terminator 2: Judgement Day - Extreme DVD - Canada Locality
Slip Cover says simply: T2
Front Cover inside the slip says: Terminator 2: Judgement Day Another example of getting what you've asked for. If the slip cover is the artwork in the database, then the title from the slip cover should be in the Title field in DVDP. 'Terminator II: Judgment Day' goes in the Original Title field. After all, 'T2' is "what you see on the shelf"!!!!!  | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bigdaddyhorse: Quote:
O.K., everyone is trying to follow the rules to the letter, and that's great. But please, use some common sense! Using the cute shortened title taglines that the marketing department comes up with, then slaps on the front cover (or slipcover), does not make that the title of the frickin' movie! Just use the movie's real title please. Remember, covers lie!
I've already voted no on MIIB and T2 and fear another massive change fiasco. New rule, abbrevations of titles don't count, unless they're in the credit box and the opening credits of the film! Please show me in the Current Rules where it directs you to use the 'credit block' (except for possessives) or the 'opening credits of the film' to determine the title that goes in the Title field of DVDP! | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would argue that "T2" is not the title but only a graphical logo. This brings us to the same situation as with "Batman" where no title is shown on the front cover. In those cases I would support using the credit block (or when not available the spine) to determine the title as a fall back. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting bob9000:
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Terminator 2: Judgement Day - Extreme DVD - Canada Locality
Slip Cover says simply: T2
Front Cover inside the slip says: Terminator 2: Judgement Day
Another example of getting what you've asked for.
If the slip cover is the artwork in the database, then the title from the slip cover should be in the Title field in DVDP. 'Terminator II: Judgment Day' goes in the Original Title field.
After all, 'T2' is "what you see on the shelf"!!!!! Not neccessarily. The "Front Cover" is one thing, and it reasonably could be argued that the "Front Cover" is never the "Slip Cover", nor is any part of the "Slip Cover" the "Front Cover".  | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
I would argue that "T2" is not the title but only a graphical logo. This brings us to the same situation as with "Batman" where no title is shown on the front cover. In those cases I would support using the credit block (or when not available the spine) to determine the title as a fall back. But the argument of those in favor of the "DVD Cover Title" is "that's what you see on the shelf"! Changing it to the "credit block" defeats that concept and is no better than using the "title from the film's credits". | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Speaking of which, why do Japanese DVDs have their front covers where the back cover of a Japanese book would be? | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VibroCount: Quote:
Not neccessarily.
The "Front Cover" is one thing, and it reasonably could be argued that the "Front Cover" is never the "Slip Cover", nor is any part of the "Slip Cover" the "Front Cover".
Hmmmmm....talk about splitting hairs. Again, it was "what you see on the shelf" which was the main argument that people had proffered to get the Rule changed | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
But the argument of those in favor of the "DVD Cover Title" is "that's what you see on the shelf"! That has never been my argument. Quote:
Changing it to the "credit block" defeats that concept and is no better than using the "title from the film's credits". True! My argument has always been that you have to look how the title is used in text form before you can recognise the title from its graphical form on the cover or in the film's credit. The credit block is just the text form which is mostly available and somehow also official. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bigdaddyhorse: Quote:
O.K., everyone is trying to follow the rules to the letter, and that's great. But please, use some common sense! Using the cute shortened title taglines that the marketing department comes up with, then slaps on the front cover (or slipcover), does not make that the title of the frickin' movie! Just use the movie's real title please. Remember, covers lie!
I've already voted no on MIIB and T2 and fear another massive change fiasco. New rule, abbrevations of titles don't count, unless they're in the credit box and the opening credits of the film! I could not agree more. Apparently there are some users around here who have nothing better to do than to mess up the database as a hobby. But don't worry, if the majority says 'No' and K&G agree, nothing will be changed. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 433 |
| | Posted: | | | | Having gone through my collection and used the latest arguments over what is the title or not. We've had people argue about possessives (John Carpenter, Alfred Hitchcock), logos as part of the title (T2, MIB), Secondary Titles (Interview with the Vampire: The Vampire Chronicles) and the dropping of Episode from the Stars Wars DVDs since they are not on the front cover. If we want to be too literal here are a few changes that I have no intention of submitting, but according a parsing of the rules would probably be correct:  Open Your EyesShould now be Open Your Eyes (Abre Los Ojos) Independence Day: Five Star CollectionShould now be ID4: Independence Day: Five Star Collection Tora! Tora! Tora!: Special EditionShould now be Tora! Tora! Tora!: The Attack on Pearl Harbor: Special Edition 24: Season TwoShould now be 24: Twenty Four: Season Two 24: Season ThreeShould now be 24: Twenty Four: Season Three 24: Season FourShould now be 24: Twenty Four: Season Four Daredevil: Director's CutShould now be Daredevil: A Daring New Vision: Director's Cut Gangs of New YorkShold now be Gangs of New York: America Was Born in the Streets Alien vs. Predator: WidescreenShould now be AVP: Alien vs. Predator: Widescreen X-Men: The Last Stand: WidescreenShould now be X III: The Last Stand: Widescreen Extras: The Complete First SeasonShould now be Extras:The Story of a Man With Small Parts: The Complete First Season Die Another Day: Special EditionShould now be 007: Die Another Day: Special Edition Casino Royale: 2-Disc Widescreen EditionShould now be 007: Casino Royale: 2-Disc Widescreen Edition The Dead Pool: Clint Eastwood CollectionShould now be Dirty Harry in The Dead Pool: Clint Eastwood Collection Mission: Impossible II: Widescreen CollectionShould now be M:i-2: Widescreen Collection The Office: The Complete CollectionShould now be The Office: Complete Series One & Two and the Special | | | | Chris | | | | Last edited: by cmaeditor |
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